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Should I fold? Should I fold?

08-28-2015 , 02:11 PM
Playing 1/3 $500 cap at a pretty soft table.

Hero has been at the table about 5 hours and has been showing nothing but monsters. I got caught bluffing early in the session but that helped with my image because after that everyone at the table always called my bets when I had the nuts. $1300

Villian is an older asian guy, has been playing pretty standard and hasn't shown any out of line plays. $680

Hero is in the BB
UTG raises to $10
Villian calls, HJ calls
Hero looks down at QQ and raises to $45
UTG and Villain calls

Flop ($146)
J22 rainbow

Hero bets $100
UTG folds, Villain calls

I am putting Villian on some kind of Jack, or maybe 10's

Turn $346
6

Hero bets $200
Villian thinks for about a minute then pushes for $540 total.
Hero?
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08-28-2015 , 02:16 PM
im calling. He could do this with AJ (if he flats the 200 he has 340 behind on the river with 746 in the pot anyway). He's probably floating a deuce to get the rest in otr on the dry flop.
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08-28-2015 , 03:30 PM
Re raising from the big blind against the under the gun raiser then double barrelling flop and turn makes it look like you have a strong hand. He could still be remembering the earlier bluffs but I don't think so. I reckon he thinks he is strong and AJ is the only hand you beat that I can see him doing that with. Personally though I think he is stronger than that. Is it possible he flat utg and then you after with JJ?? Is it possible he'd still be in after all the preflop action with the 2.

I'm going to say 6-6 though called pre. over card on the flop thinks will call one street see if you slow down coz he puts you on AK then binks the turn.

It looks to me like he has the goods. It's hard to put him on a 2 but it's time to reevaluate his range. Just try to work out if he is likely to think a jack in his hand is massive. If not fold.
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08-28-2015 , 04:31 PM
Has V 3! Pre in 5 hrs? He "hasn't shown any out of line plays" - well, call/shoving Jx and 66 are out of line so they are outliers to Vs profile. Maybe 66 that mined flop and somehow had 1 hero/mine turn call is beating you now anyway. That leaves Jx and air that you are beating. A2s, 22, JJ are reasonable given PF action. Case QQ,KK/AA didn't have to 4b nor 3b if table dynamic were slow.

You're targeting Jx, PP, and AQ/AK on the flop so sizing is ok, could be a bit smaller.
Turn sizing, though only .6 pot, will almost always fold out that same range against a 3!, bet, bet line. Instead, it induced a raise. If you're only getting raised by better, then a b/f does much better at a smaller sizing.

At 1/3, I believe there is more Value in ck turn expecting a ck back on this texture and then betting that 200 on good rivers which will force his flop calling range into a very reasonable bluff catch call. If he's betting turn, I prob am calling once and ck-f riv
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08-28-2015 , 04:54 PM
I can't get away from this hand in this spot.

Villain's range includes JJ (3 combos, slightly discounted since it'd be a surprising pre flop line), 66 (3 combos, slightly discounted since it'd be a surprising flop oop float), and AJ (12 combos). Slight chance he has a slow played AA or KK as well.

His flop action is consistent with a slow played JJ or luck boxed 66, but it's also consistent with him thinking "yay, top pair… ****, am I really going to fold top pair?" There's almost $1100 in there and it's $340 more to call. Gotta call with those odds and that range.
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08-29-2015 , 02:39 AM
Tough one. Super read dependant IMO. I definitely would tank, tell V my hand and see if I could get a read. We only need to be good 1 in 3 times or something, so probably not folding if there is any chance he can have AJ. We are repping an over pair here. Though, unless he thinks we are a maniac, a conservative ABC player never has AJ here, so if that was my read I would fold.

Unless V is a huge drooler I'm inclined to size smaller on the flop, turn, go small on the river. We are basically looking for a crying call from a jack or a smaller PP in this spot. If he is a good player we should consider checking back the turn to induce on the river.

V's position is kind of important. If he was in the LJ I think KK,AA are much less likely.
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08-30-2015 , 04:07 PM
Call. He has KJ type hands often enough to make up for the times he has A2.
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08-30-2015 , 04:34 PM
Result

He had 26 suited

I wish I was bad enough to be that lucky

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08-31-2015 , 01:00 PM
I find preflop really difficult. Any raise will setup a small SPR where we'll probably have to stack off postflop if we flop an overpair but unless we raise very large (where we might not get any action) we're giving pretty good ~setmining odds OOP to the Villain. Plus, it's possible Villain is sandbagging a monster being the first caller of a small open (i.e. we're definitely not going to feel comfortable getting reraised). I kinda suck at deeper stack play, but I would often just flat here.

The flop is the problem with preflop. We've created a very small SPR of ~4ish OOP, where it will be trivial to get in stacks, and yet at the same time offered Villain 20+ implied odds preflop to play some piece of cheese like A2s or whatever. And our hand probably looks like exactly like it is, OOP to boot.

ETA: To others suggesting bet smaller or even check the flop: while not a bad idea or anything, in the end this is simply going to be moot. The SPR is ~4ish and we're OOP; the Villain can easily get in stacks with three small 1/2 PSBs. We were basically ****ed as soon as we raised to $45 preflop with these stacks (which is why I'm not in love with preflop).

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08-31-2015 , 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by opph20
Result

He had 26 suited

I wish I was bad enough to be that lucky

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But how bad was this exactly? He was getting 20+ implied odds preflop to call the raise, in position, against a player who is playing his hand face up and will be building a pot that he can't possibly fold.

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08-31-2015 , 01:21 PM
If you were in my position, what would you have done?

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08-31-2015 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by opph20
If you were in my position, what would you have done?

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Heard it many times before, but Baluga Theorem applies here. On dry flop/safe turn when trying to get value from a pair heavy range that has no bluffs, turn raises are no longer 1 pair hands.

Earlier I thought ck-c turn was best because there were only raise/folds from V, but we're much better off with bet flop, bet/fold turn especially against V as described. Still think you do much better with smaller sizing at this depth (or any depth) to keep PP in for 1 street and maybe any AQAK that peeled and the same goes for the turn. I realize you didn't PSB either street, but again, this was a predictable V once his range was narrowed on a board this dry.
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