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12-08-2018 , 10:40 PM

larrytao

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2018 Posts: 104

Live £1/2 6 handed

CO good reg opened to £8 and btn called
I 3b AA from BB to £30

CO 4b to £80

I have been hitting a couple of big hands and won mostly without showdowns so the reg might be a bit suspicious since he hasn’t been on the table for long

Any merits flatting here?
I don’t really have any bluffs in my 5b range besides maybe AK

In my opinion I might incline to flat more if I were in position

Thoughts on this?
Effective is £500

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12-08-2018 , 10:43 PM

krilleater

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Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 666

Effective stacks matter a lot here - please add them.

In a vacuum, I don't think most 1/2 Villains have a 4-bet/fold range so just rip it in so he doesn't manage to get away on an A-high flop.

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12-08-2018 , 10:47 PM

larrytao

centurion

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Originally Posted by krilleater

Effective stacks matter a lot here - please add them.

In a vacuum, I don't think most 1/2 Villains have a 4-bet/fold range so just rip it in so he doesn't manage to get away on an A-high flop.

Sorry forgot to put effective - it is £500

I updated it

Against an unknown villain I would 5b

He is a good reg I have seen playing GTO

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12-08-2018 , 10:47 PM

josofo

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 653

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Originally Posted by krilleater

Effective stacks matter a lot here - please add them.

In a vacuum, I don't think most 1/2 Villains have a 4-bet/fold range so just rip it in so he doesn't manage to get away on an A-high flop.

they for sure do.

just this passed month 2 people folded queens face up to me when i decided to go nuts with ak preflop.

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12-08-2018 , 11:06 PM

krilleater

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Originally Posted by josofo

they for sure do.

just this passed month 2 people folded queens face up to me when i decided to go nuts with ak preflop.

So, great result. But stack sizes definitely matter. A typical 1/2 game just doesn't have room for much 4-bet/folding.

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Originally Posted by larrytao

Sorry forgot to put effective - it is £500

I updated it

Against an unknown villain I would 5b

He is a good reg I have seen playing GTO

Doubt anyone is playing GTO at 1/2 (and it's a big mistake if they are), but that's good to know.

Given the added info of stack sizes, I think it's a much closer spot. In position, I'd definitely flat but from the BB I think we want to reduce the positional advantage of a good reg. Small sizing on 4-bet makes me lean towards flatting.

Probably 5-bet to $180-200 1/3 of the time and flat the rest.

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12-09-2018 , 01:05 AM

Minatorr

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Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

I think we should be flatting here, we'd 5b nothing here except AA and also I think a reg here will get out-of-line here occasionally so we just need to let him spaz postflop.

IP it's a snap flat but I still like flatting OOP. the SPR will be very low anyway and it's not like he can outmaneuver us postflop with the low spr. we're basically stacking off every flop unless it comes like QJ10sss and we have no spade.

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12-09-2018 , 02:16 AM

krilleater

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Originally Posted by Minatorr

The biggest argument for 5-betting IMO is to take control of the pot. I'd hate to see a QJ8ss flop check through, for example.

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12-09-2018 , 04:37 PM

WereBeer

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It’s difficult to be making a big mistake by re-raising AA pre and my default if I’m unsure is to spend the time wondering about sizing the raise rather than whether to raise.

In position and 150bb effective I flat, OOP and 250bb effective I’d rather raise. I make GBP 180.

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12-09-2018 , 04:39 PM

WereBeer

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Originally Posted by krilleater

The biggest argument for 5-betting IMO is to take control of the pot. I'd hate to see a QJ8ss flop check through, for example.

This is an argument, not sure it’s the most important one. If you can’t stand to see a particular flop x through, you can always donk. Of course if he ships it’s kind of a weird spot.

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12-09-2018 , 08:23 PM

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venice10

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If there is a time to just push an 5 bet all in with AA, it is against a 1/2 player thinking they need to play GTO.

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12-09-2018 , 08:50 PM

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johnnyBuz

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Don’t flat $500 deep and OOP.

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12-10-2018 , 04:04 AM

#12

monikrazy

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185 - 225

When villain makes the slightly awkward small raise with position dont reward him by flatting

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