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01-21-2019 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Yeah, that's why I don't want to buy in for less than 100 BB. I've played stacks up to about 3k during 2/5 sessions but usually cash out around that point. I would probably cash out shortly after crossing 3k at 10/10 as well at least until I got a better feel for the players and the game.

I just think of myself as a poker player more so than 1/2 or 1/3 or 2/5. Last year I focused on 2/5 and I think it really helped my game at all levels. This year I want to at least dip a toe in at the next level to see what I can learn. Oh and I gave the wrong rate in the earlier post, that was unfiltered all hours last year. Filtered for 2/5 it was a bit lower at $58/hr but still better than I expected to be able to maintain at the start of the year.

I'll definitely be taking notes and posting hand histories after each session. Thanks.
You're making over 65$/hr at 1/2?
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01-21-2019 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by megamen70
You're making over 65$/hr at 1/2?
No, I'm actually sun running hotter than that but it's only 50 hours so it's not a real win rate.
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01-22-2019 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
The buy in amount is a good point. I just wasn't sure if 100 BB would give me enough flexibility to maneuver. I'm not dead set on any amount, I was just thinking 150 ish BB would be good as you indicated to not look like a scared money shot taker and have everyone try to push me off hands. Maybe I'll size this down to 1000 - 1200 or so.
About the first bolded: in general you don't always want to "maneuver". Sometimes you just want to get your money in good. As CRAIerrday pointed out, when you first move up and are playing with people who don't know you, you shouldn't be bluffing anyway. (Side note: if I recall correctly, he and I have experience playing in the same game, though I still don't know who he is.) But also, another thing I think you'll notice is that as you move up, the raise sizes (and hence pot sizes) get smaller as multiples of the big blind. When I played 2/5 and 5/10, it would not be uncommon to see $35 preflop raises in both games, even though one had twice the big blind of the other. At 5/10, I would rarely see someone raise more than $50, or 5 big blinds, while at 2/5 I would see 6x or 7x raises frequently, and 8x+ were uncommon but not unheard of.

About the second bolded, in my experience the only time it is bad for people to see you as scared money is if you actually are.
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01-22-2019 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
About the first bolded: in general you don't always want to "maneuver". Sometimes you just want to get your money in good. As CRAIerrday pointed out, when you first move up and are playing with people who don't know you, you shouldn't be bluffing anyway.
+1

I’m going to keep hammering away at this thread because I feel op is about to try and mix it up with properly rolled bigger-game-than-his-norm regs. Don’t do it dude. Just play the best straightforward and beat the fish. Beat the fish. Focus on getting 10 sessions under your belt, and by then you’re pretty much guaranteed to have been in a great spot against a player you are way better than.

And it’s not that anyone in the game is better always when you’re trying to move up...it’s just that they’ll survive the small edge spot swings and you won’t. So don’t push those small edges.
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01-22-2019 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon
About the first bolded: in general you don't always want to "maneuver". Sometimes you just want to get your money in good. As CRAIerrday pointed out, when you first move up and are playing with people who don't know you, you shouldn't be bluffing anyway. (Side note: if I recall correctly, he and I have experience playing in the same game, though I still don't know who he is.) But also, another thing I think you'll notice is that as you move up, the raise sizes (and hence pot sizes) get smaller as multiples of the big blind. When I played 2/5 and 5/10, it would not be uncommon to see $35 preflop raises in both games, even though one had twice the big blind of the other. At 5/10, I would rarely see someone raise more than $50, or 5 big blinds, while at 2/5 I would see 6x or 7x raises frequently, and 8x+ were uncommon but not unheard of.

About the second bolded, in my experience the only time it is bad for people to see you as scared money is if you actually are.
This is more good info. Thanks. When I sat the 2/5/10 accidentally last year for 20 mins or so the normal open seemed to be $50. So I was expecting $50 to be standard for 10/10 as well and if there were limpers perhaps to see some opens of 60-80. Maybe I'm way off. The 10/10 game I'm looking at doesn't appear to use chips smaller than the $10 chip so opens wont be $35 but they may not be as large as I was thinking they could be. When I say maneuver, I mean being able to call in position to set mine with 20x bet to stack ratio for example. I'm not really looking for bluffs as I'm more focused on playing solid and feeling the game out. If I buy 800 and there's an open to $60 and I'm closing the action with 66 I'm not even at 14x so it's a fold. If I raise in position and lose the first couple of hands I'll be left with a really short stack very quickly. I'd rather not have to play a less than $600 where SPRs get really low really fast and I'm reduced to getting it in by the turn. I'd also rather not have to keep topping off. I do hear and appreciate your input though.
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01-22-2019 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Hal N.
+1

I’m going to keep hammering away at this thread because I feel op is about to try and mix it up with properly rolled bigger-game-than-his-norm regs. Don’t do it dude. Just play the best straightforward and beat the fish. Beat the fish. Focus on getting 10 sessions under your belt, and by then you’re pretty much guaranteed to have been in a great spot against a player you are way better than.

And it’s not that anyone in the game is better always when you’re trying to move up...it’s just that they’ll survive the small edge spot swings and you won’t. So don’t push those small edges.
LOL, appreciate your concern Hal but I promise my plan is not to go toe to toe with the best players in the room to prove anything. I'll be patiently looking for spots trying to identify and target any weaknesses I see at the table and watching out for sharks that are going after the same blood in the water.
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01-22-2019 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
LOL, appreciate your concern Hal but I promise my plan is not to go toe to toe with the best players in the room to prove anything. I'll be patiently looking for spots trying to identify and target any weaknesses I see at the table and watching out for sharks that are going after the same blood in the water.
Okay, I feel less anxious now. Go get em man!

And document the transition for us because I totally need to learn because I burped my 5-10 shot harder than old French bread.
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01-22-2019 , 01:19 PM
Hey and one more thing...missing a shot can really screw you up if you’re not careful.

Your 2-5 play could go to **** and you’ll find yourself back in 1-2.

Be careful with your mental game.
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01-22-2019 , 05:05 PM
Need to adjust off table more than on table if you’re going to grind 5T. For you it just sounds like you need to adjust on table and just run well for a time. The couple best 5T players know they’re the best, the rest of them aren’t but they think they are. There is a difference. Just go battle and don’t play face up relative to your opponents. (Although your interpretation of face up may be quite different)
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01-22-2019 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
Need to adjust off table more than on table if you’re going to grind 5T. For you it just sounds like you need to adjust on table and just run well for a time. The couple best 5T players know they’re the best, the rest of them aren’t but they think they are. There is a difference. Just go battle and don’t play face up relative to your opponents. (Although your interpretation of face up may be quite different)
Thanks, can you give an example of playing face up so I'm sure we are on the same page?
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01-22-2019 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by c0rnBr34d
Thanks, can you give an example of playing face up so I'm sure we are on the same page?
You know how you play w some OMC who opens UTG and then pots A59r? So, imagine you're the OMC but what you consider standard play is face up to your opponents (not all of them, but some). It won't be that obvious to you, but will be to them. Lines like open, bet, ckc, ck will be strong 1p hands, for example and you will be punished. Lines like over calling and then coming alive on middling boards where you have no bluffs, you won't make money, just to name a couple generic type things.
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