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01-12-2017 , 11:38 AM

kazamman

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My casino runs 1/2 50-250 buy in. Will it be profitable to short stack and shove in multiways? The rake is 5% with $20 cap(too high?)

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01-12-2017 , 11:53 AM

OmahaFanatical4

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Really high rake I probably wouldn't play. And the proper methodology with a short stack is not to just jam any time the pot is mutliway. Playing poker well is a complex activity. That being said you can capitalize on your opponents tendencies to make loose calls.

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01-12-2017 , 12:44 PM

MIB211

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There's probably a way to make this profitable by playing hands very tight and very aggressively. Your rake cap is quite high, but the 5% take is actually low, and for a short stack that's most important. I'm sure there are resources that could give you pretty good formulas on how to short-stack a poker game, which isn't too complicated because all the money should be in on the flop if you're doing it right. I'd imagine that playing this style correctly is quite dull, you'll largely be folding all night.

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01-12-2017 , 01:01 PM

albedoa

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Huh, yeah that rake structure is interesting.

I don't know if you will be profitable, but I can tell you I've probably never seen someone who is good at it. That said, almost everyone who shortstacks $1/2 is doing it for reasons of limited budget and/or risk aversion, so they might not be appropriate comparisons if you know what you're doing. (Thought the multi-way thing gives me pause. At best, that will be some very high-variance shortstacking. Fun for the gamble though.)

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01-12-2017 , 01:05 PM

MIB211

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Originally Posted by albedoa

Good point. I think it's theoretically possible to shortstack 1/2 profitable. I've never seen anyone do it though. Assume there are a couple of reasons for this. First, it's just hard to sit and fold for hours until you get a top-5 kind of hand, and that's basically what you need to do to short stack profitably. Second, if someone had the knowledge, skills and patience to profitably short stack, they could probably also be a bigger winner by buying in full.

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01-12-2017 , 01:40 PM

pig4bill

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Sure you can. The rake is not going to affect you much compared to Vegas, which charges 10% up to $5. That's a $50 pot. It takes a $100 pot at 5% to rake the same.

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01-12-2017 , 02:00 PM

The Rumor

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Originally Posted by pig4bill

Sure you can. The rake is not going to affect you much compared to Vegas, which charges 10% up to $5. That's a $50 pot. It takes a $100 pot at 5% to rake the same.

Yeah but you should be all in with $50 so often whenever you are playing a hand that there isn't a material difference

OP - the potential win rate from this is so minute that you are wasting your time, your hourly is almost certainly better flipping burgers at McDonald's

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01-12-2017 , 02:13 PM

iraisetoomuch

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^ Basicly this.

Profitable for a good player. Yes.
Worth your time? Maybe depends on how you value your time and what else you can do.
Better than most other methods of playing at the table? No.

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01-12-2017 , 02:22 PM

madlex

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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4

And the proper methodology with a short stack is not to just jam any time the pot is mutliway. Playing poker well is a complex activity.

Playing a 25BB stack in a standard loose/passive 1/2 game is a lot of things, but not a complex activity.

With such a small stack, especially in games where open raises >$10 are standard, you can basically use a chart to determine if a certain spot is a 3bet shove or fold. Requirements to shove over a $12 open and one caller are already really low because you risk only $50 to win $27 outright.

There are also a couple hands that you can overlimp with and a couple hands to openraise, but those ranges are far more narrow compared to playing a 100BB stack.

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01-12-2017 , 02:52 PM

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Jay S

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Originally Posted by kazamman

My casino runs 1/2 50-250 buy in. Will it be profitable to short stack and shove in multiways? The rake is 5% with $20 cap(too high?)

It becomes more profitable if you're good at assessing individual opponents' ranges and understanding how much FE you have in each spot (as opposed to mechanically following a pushbotting chart). But regardless, you're not going to make a living this way, and most people don't find it very much fun.

That rake structure might actually be slightly better for you. When you win without showdown, it'll usually be something like a $10-30 pot, and your rake structure will take out less than a 10% rake with a lower cap would. In a $100 pot it's basically a wash.

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01-12-2017 , 07:56 PM

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The Drifter

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I think the important question here is whether or not the rake is "no flop, no drop" or not.

If it is, (meaning there is no rake for preflop) I think this can be done profitably, and the buy in/rake structure is actually beneficial for it.

If they are raking pre-flop, just avoid this place entirely.

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