$2/$2/$3 game.


Hero is short-stacked, a little under $100 effective.

Hero picks up A7 in the early position and limps.

Someone in LP raises to $15, 4 callers, and then hero calls.

$75 to the flop of J1010.

Hero is first to act. My question is, with only about $80 behind, should I shove to deny equity from any of the other 4 callers? Or would this be better as a check/shove in order to build a pot and therefore create better odds for me to shove with the nut flush draw?

Dont donk.. check/shove expect to lose 60% of the time. Next time your short stacked dont limp call with marginal hands. If your going to short stack (which you shouldn't. Top off.) You should be looking to get AI PF with a tight range 88+ aqs+

Limp calling with this is suicide at this stack depth.

OTF just shove, 1 in a zillion times you'll get to take it down or get heads up with a worse draw, and there's not really any advantage to checking. If it checks through it probably means you should have shoved.

you could play it either way. anyone with a T, J, open ender or flush draw is not going to fold.

Since it is almost certain that you will get at least one caller and you will have to hit for your hand to hold up, you might as well try to make the pot as big as you possibly can. Do something silly like donk 20 into the pot and see who comes along.

Top up
Never limp with this stack
As played shove pre if you doing

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Fold pre both times. Top up or brush up on short stack strat. Limp/call should not be a thing at this depth.

Shove now

Limp call for $15 w/ A7 on a $100 stack is a horrific play. Dropping the money at the blackjack or roulette table would be way higher EV. It’s so bad a poker angel lost it’s wings.

Limp/fold or limp/shove would both be light years better than limp/call. As others have said if you’re going to short stack at least learn the fundamentals. Fundamentals = maximize FE, isolate to one V, committ stack or fold - no middle ground.

+1

Folding the first time is best. AP you can jam for maximum FE or fold to the raise. Calling is God awful.

I'm not even going to discuss postflop because preflop is so butchered.

Ugly preflop play. Fold pre.

After you limp, this is must shove spot for sure. Gave yourself sweet squeeze spot.

Flop, I am shoving. But not a spot I am familiar with.

If you are gonna short stack (which is okay). Do some study on short stack play.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...ht=short+stack

Check it out. It gets a little silly at times but fluxboy gives some good short stack strategy

I appreciate all the input, but once again, it looks like I just received a vote for every single possible action possible: fold pre, check/call, shove flop, shove pre.

I usually do top off, but once I hit my rebuy limit for the day, I don't top off and just hope to come back with a short stack.

As played, since I limp/called the flop, I think check/call (to create pot odds) is the best play. Or, even leading small for $20 like @PFunkaliscious said to create a pot and shoving any turn.

Welcome to criticize my logic here. Apparently there is more than 1 way to play a hand.

Why was postflop butchered? There are only 2 options - donk shoving or check/shoving. I couldn't possibly fold the nut flush draw when that's the reason for why I limp/called pre in the first place. As played, I think either donk-shoving the flop or check/shoving is fine either way.

Check call to create pot odds doesn't make any sense. If you shove and everyone folds, that's a big win. If you shove and people call, it works out the same as if you checked and called.

The reality is that it doesn't really matter what you do on this flop, the vast majority of the time it ends with you allin against 1 or more players and hoping for the best. You can argue like I did that it's better to shove because taking it down is valuable, or you can argue (like PFunk did) that taking it down is a pipe dream and you'd be better off accepting that you need to show your hand down and trying to get maximum money in the pot. Either of these are marginal arguments though, it just doesn't really matter. Most times the outcome will be identical no matter what line you take.

The main takeaway here is that you shouldn't limp this hand and that, having limped, calling is the worst thing to do against the raise. Shoving is fine there because there's a lot of dead money. Folding fine too. Pretty sure everyone ITT is on board with what I'm saying in this paragraph.

Also:

This hand plays far better deep stacked. Fold Pre, it's not really close.