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03-11-2014 , 02:51 AM
I want to know what the 2pluse2 community thinks. 1/3 live session in NYC I'm seating at the game with 300 in chips 9 handed most players at the table are Tight aggressive, but the villain is a very bad player he plays, a very loose passive Style some time goes to loose aggressive just plays any 2 cards and he is a calling station.

So im in the cut off i pick up QJ i raise to 20 $ ,whole table folds villain calls, after the call villain only as 100$ left in his stack

flop ($30) 7 8 9 Rainbow

villain goes all in

i thought about it for a minute and folded my straight draw

what do you guys think i should have done
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03-11-2014 , 03:03 AM
Raise less pre-flop, more like $12-15 unopened. Against a table full of TAGs this bet sizing does the trick instead of raising to $20, considering there were no limpers. V's donk all-in puts most of his range as good but susceptible hands such as A9 or even a hand such as T8o(pair and a SD). You need to be good around 41% of the time and even with V's loose aggressive style post-flop your no where close of calling, so I would fold. Plus, you are not even sure if your pairs are live(though, most of the time they should be)
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03-11-2014 , 11:45 AM
We got a good result preflop (HU, in position, with initiative, against someone who just called off 1/6 of his stack preflop lol), so I definitely can't argue with the preflop raise size (which is table/situation/stack dependent, but in a vacuum seems fine to me).

Flop is a trivially easy fold. There is a fairly decent chance we are behind. We have 4 outs to the nuts. We do have overs, but we are unsure whether they will be any good. Even if we estimated our over outs at a 3, that would give us 7 outs. Using the rule of 2 and 4, that means we are going to be good by the river only 28% of the time. We are being asked to call $100 to win $130 (holy rake batman?), so we need to be good 43% of the time. Heck, even if we assumed all our overs were good, that still only puts at us around 40%; we'd need to throw in the backdoor flush draw / chance we are actually currently ahead just to breakeven. It's not even close, imo.

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03-11-2014 , 01:13 PM
Pre is fine. Might be a touch bit big if the pot was un opened pre flop, but whatever.

Post flop is a super easy fold.

As long as you did fold, then nh, wp.
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03-11-2014 , 01:34 PM
That's a gutshot draw.

Super easy fold.
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