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11-20-2016 , 09:05 AM
V is mawg loose pre straightforward post. One hand played where I shipped 120bb over his 30bb turn donk on A947 two tone w/AQ into his 97ss.

150bb eff

Hero opens AKcc 10 mp2, V calls OTB as do 3 other players at various pos.

Flop (50) T74r

Checked to Hero, leads 25, folded to V calls, more folds.

Turn (100) 2o

Hero checks, V leads 35, Hero calls.

River (170) 7

Hero checks, V bets 35.

Thanks
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11-20-2016 , 09:54 AM
Do not see the reason for bluff flop multiway. Check flop and decide whether call by the action/size.
As played bluffing river is bad idea.
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11-20-2016 , 10:02 AM
History hand sounds like pure spew. Had him on a very draw heavy range, eh?

Open seems a bit small, though it depends on the table.

I don't c-bet air in to 4 Vs at 1/2 anymore. There's just no way we're getting through them all.

Turn is a raise or fold, imo. His bet is tiny, indicating a weak made hand that can't take much pressure, but history hand looms over us.

Never, ever, calling river. This is a raise or fold all day long.

I generally raise "same bets" with ATC, as the line is so very weak, but with history and the river pairing a 7 that you are very unlikely to have, I am not so sure. If I went for the raise, though, I wouldn't make it a shove. I'd make it look value-y and probably slide out a stack of red. It's more convincing as a value line and saves you money if it doesn't work. If he ships over it, you can say "Damn, I guess you do have a seven," and fold.
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11-20-2016 , 10:20 AM
Almost never cbet oop into four villains. The chances of getting all players to fold is almost nil. Check and hope it checks through. You can pick up plenty of equity on the turn with an A,K,Q,J, or c (assuming the flop contains one club).

Folding the turn every time. A straight-forward villain bet into you on the turn. He's not bluffing. He beats A high. You're calling 4:1 hoping to hit a six outer and then get paid oop.
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11-20-2016 , 10:45 AM
I'd usually c/f here but this isn't a bad board to double or triple barrel. I don't mind betting flop as long as you're willing to fire turn and then maybe river.

I think the open to 10 is fine, I like smaller raise sizes but my usual play here at 1/2 is just to c/f against 4 opponents.
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11-20-2016 , 10:57 AM
Flop: You described V as loose preflop, the cards on the board certainly fit within his range. You missed the flop, your SPR is 3, and you have multiple players in the pot. I would not have bet the flop. I would have checked behind.

Turn: You missed again, I would have folded.

River:I certainly fold now.
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11-21-2016 , 01:30 PM
May I just say I absolutely hate your ship with AQ to start, that is the definition of a WA/WB move

I am never cbetting here in a five way pot. This is pure spew. Someone is going to call and be ahead of you by now. Just take the free card.

That runout is garbage for your hand vs. their collective range, just check/fold the turn.

You don't have to try to win every pot.
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