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08-07-2019 , 06:14 PM
Live 2/3
Villain is OMC reg nearly 80 years old, have played with him multiple times he is on a bit of a heater today
Hero is early 20s known as a maniac vs OMC regs in this casino
~$700 effective I cover
Villain utg opens to $7
Hero on button with 44
Sb fold BB fold HU to flop
Flop A42
Villain bets 10, I raise to 30 he calls.
Turn 9
Villain bets 25 I raise to 90 he calls.
River 10
Villain bets $100 hero ??

Last edited by Ddebaggi; 08-07-2019 at 06:17 PM. Reason: Spelling
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08-07-2019 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Ddebaggi
Live 2/3
Villain is OMC reg nearly 80 years old, have played with him multiple times he is on a bit of a heater today
Hero is early 20s known as a maniac vs OMC regs in this casino
~$700 effective I cover
Villain utg opens to $7
Hero on button with 44
Sb fold BB fold HU to flop
Flop A42
Villain bets 10, I raise to 30 he calls.
Turn 9
Villain bets 25 I raise to 90 he calls.
River 10
Villain bets $100 hero ??

Well, you hit the flop just the way you wanted. The Ace makes your hand especially attractive. If its set over set, you lose. I reraise it to $ 300 or so.
Buy him another coffee when he shows A-K
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08-07-2019 , 06:32 PM
If he’s old and coffee enough,it’s always AA...but I’m still going broke.
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08-07-2019 , 07:42 PM
$300/soul read cry fold
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08-07-2019 , 09:18 PM
Raise/fold $300

If he's a true OMC he wont reraise even with AA because it's not the nuts.
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08-07-2019 , 09:26 PM
It's either Aces or AK probably. Maybe some A10 suited, but eh?

Since you know him, how sticky is he post? Is he one of those top pair always good types, or can he station off?
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08-07-2019 , 09:52 PM
raises need to be much bigger
he doesn't care how much money goes into the pot if he's got a decent tp
raise/fold river
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08-07-2019 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
raises need to be much bigger
he doesn't care how much money goes into the pot if he's got a decent tp
raise/fold river
Pots ~$277. He can barely min raise without being pot committed. Does H really have a fold button if he gets reshoved?
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08-07-2019 , 11:01 PM
v has ~470 behind
should be ok to raise/fold to 250
it would be 150 to call or 450 to ship for him
and I expect only better to ship and worse to call a small raise
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08-08-2019 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
raises need to be much bigger
he doesn't care how much money goes into the pot if he's got a decent tp
raise/fold river
Then he’s not a true OMC...just a bad reg with caffeine.
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08-08-2019 , 02:49 AM
He's seen you raise twice, and still he leads river

If he is an OMC this is heavily weighted AA with AK an outside possibility. The latter is less likely because an OMC often limps, and with AK he is **** scared you have two pair or a set.

I am never finding a fold, but I feel a raise is pretty optimistic.
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08-08-2019 , 03:11 AM
Have you seen him bet these sizings before? If you have what do they normally mean? Is it a monster that doesn't want to scare off smaller holdings (that's what it feels like to me) or is it more likely to be a blocker bet with something like strongish Ace? He c-bets 1/2 pot and calls a 3x raise, then donks for a small 1/3 of the pot on a second spade then calls the 3x raise again and then goes on to donk for a little under half the pot AGAIN. To me, this feels incredibly nutted. As in can't even be AK nutted. As in we could even make an exploitative fold here because it's only ever AA or a weird turned 99 nutted.

But if you've seen him do these smaller bets before and they're more likely to be blocker bets with weaker holdings AND you think he will call off then a raise is fine. I don't think this is an easy insta raise just because we have a set here, what are we hoping to get called by? His line is so weird and non-standard that I can't think of anything we beat except for AK/AQ of spades (AJ and AT too if he's opening those UTG). Flops top pair with top/good kicker and bets, has to call young maniacs raise at least once or twice. Picks up the nut flush draw to go along with his strong pair on the turn so decides to lead really small for some reason and does some weird semi value semi blocker bet on the river?

If he really sees you as a maniac and decides he has to call your raise on the flop when there's only one overcard with 99 and turns a set I could see that being possible too.

For me, I think this is just a call and MAYBE even a fold depending on how tight this "OMC" is. The line to me just feels so nutted, do you think he is going to donk the turn and the river after getting raised twice with just AK and no flush draw? That seems crazy, though I may be ranging this guy way too tight. If I am giving this guy too much credit and he can turn up with any AQ here, then this could be a good spot to take advantage of your image as a maniac and just jam. If he's going to hero with AQ and AK here, I don't think the size matters.

But yeah let me know how close or wrong I am because I have a feeling I'm either way off or spot on haha. My money's on AA or AKss

Last edited by BignutzOnerz; 08-08-2019 at 03:12 AM. Reason: Spelling
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08-08-2019 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by adam levine
Then he’s not a true OMC...just a bad reg with caffeine.
op said he was 80 yo
do you think we're looking at a high iq here?
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08-08-2019 , 11:43 AM
Against a true OMC, I take his offer to play a small pot here. I put him on AA for sure. I would think the 25 bet on the turn was an inducement bet attempting to get you to stomp on his bet...which would make AAA very happy indeed.
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08-08-2019 , 12:53 PM
Please make sure to include potsizes on every street.
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08-08-2019 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BignutzOnerz
Have you seen him bet these sizings before? If you have what do they normally mean? Is it a monster that doesn't want to scare off smaller holdings (that's what it feels like to me) or is it more likely to be a blocker bet with something like strongish Ace? He c-bets 1/2 pot and calls a 3x raise, then donks for a small 1/3 of the pot on a second spade then calls the 3x raise again and then goes on to donk for a little under half the pot AGAIN. To me, this feels incredibly nutted. As in can't even be AK nutted. As in we could even make an exploitative fold here because it's only ever AA or a weird turned 99 nutted.

But if you've seen him do these smaller bets before and they're more likely to be blocker bets with weaker holdings AND you think he will call off then a raise is fine. I don't think this is an easy insta raise just because we have a set here, what are we hoping to get called by? His line is so weird and non-standard that I can't think of anything we beat except for AK/AQ of spades (AJ and AT too if he's opening those UTG). Flops top pair with top/good kicker and bets, has to call young maniacs raise at least once or twice. Picks up the nut flush draw to go along with his strong pair on the turn so decides to lead really small for some reason and does some weird semi value semi blocker bet on the river?

If he really sees you as a maniac and decides he has to call your raise on the flop when there's only one overcard with 99 and turns a set I could see that being possible too.

For me, I think this is just a call and MAYBE even a fold depending on how tight this "OMC" is. The line to me just feels so nutted, do you think he is going to donk the turn and the river after getting raised twice with just AK and no flush draw? That seems crazy, though I may be ranging this guy way too tight. If I am giving this guy too much credit and he can turn up with any AQ here, then this could be a good spot to take advantage of your image as a maniac and just jam. If he's going to hero with AQ and AK here, I don't think the size matters.

But yeah let me know how close or wrong I am because I have a feeling I'm either way off or spot on haha. My money's on AA or AKss
Omc is not raising 99 utg. That's a limp most times, and maybe even a fold.

Last edited by hitchens97; 08-08-2019 at 09:24 PM.
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08-08-2019 , 09:15 PM
Time for results.
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08-09-2019 , 08:52 AM
I guess the one thing is, if you are raising him twice, you clearly didn't think he flopped Aces. Pretty sure when you raise the turn, you are prepared to fight on almost any river in the game.
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08-11-2019 , 06:57 PM
Results?
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08-11-2019 , 07:59 PM
I’m on board with 300/fold. I think he’s way more likely to show up with AK or AsTs than AA here. Because you fastplayed flop, you really helped yourself out here because we can define his range this well.


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08-11-2019 , 09:29 PM
Wow, he lead and called your raise twice on this board. No way AK does this.

I'm just calling river here, it's just me but if I raise fold here and never saw his hand, I'm probably done for the night for this hand will hunt me for days.
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08-11-2019 , 09:53 PM
If you raise to 250 and Villain ships it, you'll be facing 325 into a pot of 1075. These aren't great odds and I would not find it difficult to fold against an OMC.
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08-11-2019 , 09:56 PM
An OMC might be limping AA UTG some fraction of the time. This really screams AK to me.

I'm Interested to hear the results.
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08-11-2019 , 10:38 PM
What kind of maniac?

winning or losing?
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08-11-2019 , 11:25 PM
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Results?
Agreed. It does kinda ignore me when an OP goes missing, and doesn't tie up the thread.
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