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V is a younger guy, didn't seem too aggro. His raises were usually $6-$10 pre, he didn't run bluffs, would c/f whiffed AK postflop oop, etc.

Hero was winning small - medium pots w/o SD for the most part. Mostly folding.

V limps, other guy limps, Hero completes the SB with 55, BB checks.

Flop ($12) A K 5

Hero leads $15, BB folds, V raises to $43 leaving ~$220 eff more, 4th guy folds, Hero?

If we call: what do we do on brick turns, what do we do on any 3rd flush or 3rd broadway turn?

If we raise, how much? Any raise, we're shoving all turns, but what's the raise sizing?



And for people who see me say fold AQo UTG in a FR game, this is why. Pretty much no option is good and there's no way not to show strength.

I 3-bet to $100. This passive dude's all of a sudden betting? I don't want any cards killing my action.

I dunno man. I think this is an awesome spot and basically all options are awesome.

I think shoving is best by far. If he folds Ax, eh, then he folds Ax, but I bet he doesn't.

Can't fear KK, AA. If he has those, he has AK, and AK = 9 combos, AA, KK = 6 total. That's still very +EV.

On the flop, I think I prefer a check/raise to a lead. I think it's likely enough that someone has Ax 4-way and will do the betting for us. Then we check/raise and never fold. Leading seems decent though and not bad imo.

Yeah, just shove now. I think it looks weaker than raising larger, and I can't really see any good reasons to just call and see a turn.

The preflop limp deeply discounts AA/KK/AK. 3 combos of A5 are possible, and K5 is probably a bit of a stretch. Villain's range has got to be almost all drawing hands, so we can never flat call.

Super cheap cards are not much better than free cards, so raising small is almost as bad as flat calling.

What we really want is villain shoving over our raise. So it has to be big enough that he can't just flat, but small enough that he thinks he might still have some fold equity when he shoves.

I feel like that number is around $140

did he limp UTG? Otherwise we can pretty much discount aces and kings, that leaves him with aces up protecting it against a flush. So I would raise him and try to get the rest of his stack committed. Maybe make it 143.

^ He was UTG+2, I wasn't worried ~ AA/KK, he prob would have made it $12, the bigger end of his pf raising size.

I also just limp preflop.

Love the slightly oversized PSB+ donk, nice.

We don't want a scare card to come and kill our action, plus this non-aggro guy just raised the flop (he's unlikely to fold). I would probably do a PSB raise (so like $28 + $98 = $125), although I wouldn't argue with anything $100+. I'm never folding (if he limped/hit AA/KK it's a rare set-over-set cooler). I'm shoving the rest in on any turn (we'll only have ~1/2 PSB left, we can't even fold on "bad" cards).

ETA: I like the flop donk much more than a check/raise, as I feel a check/raise is more apt to blow people off their hands (the last thing we want with a set). I don't hate the idea of a shove as it just seems so unlikely that a flop raiser is going to fold (unless he's one of those "raise to see where I'm at" guys) plus we eliminate the risk of scare cards preventing us from getting his stack, but I *think* we have enough behind where we can raise smaller and play for stacks on the turn. FWIW, no one is ever going to figure they have some FE against our donk/3bet, no matter what our 3bet size is.

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Yeah I thought stacks were shallower. Raise a smaller amount is good.

Love his raise!!!! No AA, KK since he didn't raise pre.

I would reraise to 150 and get him committed to the end. He could have two pair or flush draw. Doesn't have the right odds to call and chase a flush but he might anyway.

Just move it in quickly announcing "alright here" and shove it in. Nits get emotionally attached and snap call because they are pretty incapable of 3bet/folding. Don't give him a chance to level himself by tank/re-raising.

3-bet to $110-$120 and call a 4b. Flatting risks getting stacks in later.

Have you seen him raise on a FD yet? Doesn't really seem the type given description.

I 3 bet $110 and donk shove any turn. I would guess V limped with A5 (even though we don't like to narrow range that much)

V range is mostly AK or flush draw, possibly with Kc.
He isnt folding any of those now. We arent folding if he binks turn or river. So gii while we are ahead, right?

Raise to 120 and hope to get reraised all in.

Shove. He has AK and he is calling.
If V is UTG or UTG+1, he might have limped AA or KK hoping to squeeze if somebody raised preflop. Still it's a shove given the stack sizes and chances he made that play. MP or later, he never has AA or KK.

sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but there is a non-zero chance he has AA or KK. this is 1/3, not 25/50

with that being said, it doesnt matter because i'm stacking off here 100% of the time unless V literally flips over AA/KK before i'm able to. any 3 bet that is 110+ is acceptable. shoving is acceptable. if not shoving OTF, i'm shoving OTT regardless of what drops.

i'm never flatting.

Is shoving the flop really ok? Isn't the villain's range 99.9996655439% flush draws? I think it's a pretty bad result if villain folds.

these guys don't really semi bluff their flush draws, they call them down. He most likely has 2pair.

If he decided to limp/3b aces from UTG +2, then he outplayed us. But I will find out the hard way making it 100 on top.

Then flat calling is fine....isn't it?

There are only 15 card combos that make two pair, and most of them are pretty unbelievable given pre-flop action. That goes beyond soul-reading. He has to have some draws in his range.

why would this villians range be almost all fds?

reread villian desc.

hes almost never folding however once he makes this raise. he has 2p+ with a few Tptk combos

raise/gii doesnt matter hes not the type of villian to get away from his hand after making this move.. just bloat pot and kill spr before scare cards can turn.

Why does he have to have draws in his range? Some passive players only raise here if they can beat TPTK (and not necessarily with every hand that can beat TPTK). Some players can bet on the come but are reluctant to raise with a draw.

You might have draws in your range, but he's not you and you shouldn't project your own traits onto him.

I'm not projecting. Even if you include TPTK, that's less than 30 card combos you're putting him on. Some of them are a curiously limped AK/AQ, and some of them are K5.

I'd say you're projecting a whole lot of assumptions onto the villain if you can nail his range down to 2% of hands after two streets.

If he's raising for value here.....it would seem dubious that he would limp AK/AQ. That's the contradiction that makes every TPTK, 2pair, and set highly questionable.

Occam's Razor says he probably has some draws in his range. And if a draw is possible.....then it has to be a significant percentage of his range, since value hands are so few.

no flat calling will shut him down if a 3rd club falls. Hero bet just over a psb on the flop and he raised to almost 3x. Our line looks more like a FD that he would want to protect his hand against.

He is not doing this with top pair hardy ever and sets are very unlikely.

So 2 pairs are the majority of his range with his line. Yes he could have a FD, but I would be surprised (maybe KJ) and if he does, he's not folding for another 100 dollars.

If we flat he can also pot control the turn and see a free river. After he calls the $100 raise, he only has $120 left that we can get in on the turn (unless he re-raises all in which we would love). I think he has Ah5h (not that I ever narrow it down like this but just giving an example)

4 Bet all inn, if he fold hes FD its still good to take down the pot on flop vs hes EV with low FD.

we need to balance between keeping him in and folding him out and scaring him away.