We're 80% against a range of :
AhAs,KhKs,AJs+,A5s,KcQc,KcJc,QcJc,KcTc,QcTc,JcTc,A Qo+

Villain folding would be the nut low for us, so jamming is not a good idea.

His range is AK, QJcc, QTcc, TJcc and we are 78% against that range. So raise to 143 or shove. He might call with these hands now. Whereas If we just flat, on turn he is folding all junk plus some of the above range if he doesn't improve. Flatting 43 on flop is shooting your own foot.

I think the optimal play is to shove after he raises. It makes our hand look more like a draw than a set. If you think he can never show up with a bigger set, the worst hand that we can be up against equity wise would be a flush draw. We are a 2-1 favorite against a flush draw, so get it in.

Or it makes you look like a strong hand that is afraid of draws.

We're you at the table? I wasn't. Do either of us know of V will or will not call a shove with a draw? No, we don't. Hero is the only person who has any real idea about that.

I said shoving was acceptable but I also said in the sentence right before that, which you just so happen to cut out of the quote, was that 3betting to 110+ is acceptable.

If you can't understand that there is more than 1 acceptable way to play this hand or that us as forum posters have really no idea what V will or will not fold to, then there is nothing more to talk about.

Sorry, did someone just run over your puppy?

Yeah I saw the previous sentence. I wasn't arguing with that, which is why I cut it out of the quote.

Sure there may be more than one acceptable way to play, but putting the idea of "Fold" in the villain's mind, when we're an 80% favorite against any reasonable range of holdings, doesn't seem like one of them.

If you're gonna give advice, even alternative advice, you should provide some sound poker reasoning.

Even without being at the table, would you expect villain to call off his stack to our 3-bet when we raise to 7x his raise on the flop? I don't think that's sound or reasonable.

I also think that narrowing villain's range to be even mostly 1 and 2 pair hands is also not sound nor reasonable. You'd be talking about less than 30 card combos, and more than half of those don't fit the pre-flop action.

So taking the least EV line against the biggest part of his range, does not sound like a reasonable alternative.

Sorry about your dog.

GRUNCH
raise to 80, plan to jam any non Broadway, non club turn. I don't think V is easily getting away from A or a draw. I like playing it fast and getting stacks in on the turn.

EDIT: Ok, just read all the posts and think raising bigger is better. I like the idea of raising enough to really commit V to hand, so make is 120.

I don't know this V but I would think his range includes AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KcXc, QJcc, QTcc, JTcc, A5, maybe K5s. It is a non zero chance he has sets of aces or kings in his hand, but if he does, nice hand sir. I'm v happy to stack off on this flop and if I raise to 120 and he calls, I'm shipping all non club,moon Broadway rivers.

In anycase, i dont think you are getting any more from a competent villain. You both have tight images. May be call and check shove on a blank turn might be good. Did he limped AK last time?. any history before?. you should be knowing if he is a spot and a shove will get paid on the flop.

I like the raise to 120 plan and shove non-club turns. But why are people fearing Broadway turns (aside from A or K)? This V isn't raising us with QJ or QT unless its both clubs, and even then he probably doesn't raise flop with those hands.

How would you play a set against a player who would dump two pair to a big 3bet, has a discounted number of bigger sets in his range (he sometimes but doesn't always limp with AA/KK), is willing to get GII with a combo draw, and will either call or fold any other flush draw depending on how lucky he feels or if his gut tells him the draw will come?

That may sound weird, but it describes how at least a couple of regs play against specifically me and not necessarily other regs.

Looks like he has a5 or flush draw. I shove hoping he has a5 and making him pay big for draws. Raising to 100-125 good also.

I didn't think AA/KK/fd's were going to show up, those were almost non-existent to me. It'd need to be KQcc/KJcc if a fd showed up. And as much as I would have liked AK to show up, I didn't think it would too often either.

He had limped pre and c/c'd multiple streets in previous hands, it basically came down to me thinking a r/f range didn't exist for him. And what GG said in post #7 was what I was thinking the whole time. I raised to $120, he folded. It wasn't a snap fold, while I was getting the $120 together I guess he was thinking and he folded pretty quickly after I put the raise out. He probably wasn't keeping track of the pot and thought $15 was a tiny postflop bet and raised Ax.