This is a hand from my regular game where both I and V have around $1.8k. $1/3, 6 handed.

Main V is a weak player who is too loose pre-flop and bluffs somewhat frequently, but very nitty in big pots. He's actively afraid of playing pots against me and just seat changed to my left.

MP opens to $20 and I 3-bet to $80 with JhJd. V flats on button, folds around.

Flop JsAc7s. (Pot $180)

Beautiful flop, I expect I can get fat value from his Aces and flush draws.

I bet $100, he thinks and calls.

Turn As (Pot $380)

Based on my ranging, he likely either hit trips or a flush and definitely isn't folding here, again trying to get lots of value so size up to $350.

He thinks for a bit and calls.

River 4x (Pot $980)

Since he never raised, I think his hand might be fairly weak (ex. weak A) so I'm looking for a crying call. I bet $500.

He snap shoves AI for $1.3k more.

Are you ever folding? Is this a snap call?

Not a snap call but beating three combinations of 77 and losing to 2 combinations of AJ and 12 combinations of A7 and A4. If V is weak add in some AK,AQ hand and some bluffs and this makes it a call.

I doubt he's ever raising trips here, certainly not AQ. And he's aggressive enough pre-flop that he'd often 4-bet with AK.

IMO his range is exclusively boats and flushes.

I think you have to call here. If Villain is loose pre-flop, he may call a 3 bet with A4, A7 and obviously AJ. If you feel he is intimidated by you and nittier post-flop, then it would be reasonably likely that he raises AJ, A7 (and probably 77) for value and to protect equity on the flop (although that might sound counterintuitive). You are at the top of your range here and have blockers to the hands that beat you. 77, overplayed flushes and Ax combos as well as occaisional bluffs (89, 8T, KT, KQ) make a sufficient enough part of his range for the price you are getting. It's a cooler if you're wrong.

Isn't Vs river shove only $770 more? You wrote that he shoved for $1.3k more, but isn't $1.3k total?

Anyways, this is a pretty gross spot IMO. If starting stacks are correct, you're getting 4 to 1 on a call. The problem is with the description you gave V, that he's nitty in big pots. If that's the case, I'd think it's unlikely that he's snap jamming river with flushes/trips after you 3! PF then go b/b/b on this board. Seems to me you're beating just the 3 combos of 77. Getting this price I don't think I could find a fold in game, but to me it feels like you're beat here against an opponent who's scared of big pots.

You aren't beating anything that is jamming this board. You bet all 3 streets, like you have it. He would have to be an insanely tough player to make this river play with anything but AJ. We can be fairly sure he doesn't have AA. And he might have A7 or A4.

He would have to be a whale to have a flush and even 77 here.

I started off thinking snap call, but the more I think about it and the more I read, the more worried I get.

You say he plays scared post in big pots, and now he makes a river raise (which is usually pretty close to the nuts at this level). He's got to be insane if he's doing that with AK, and I don't think he's likely doing it with a flush either. He knows AA, JJ are in your range. I think this is likely quad Aces (played slow) or a boat most of the time, and you only beat 77.

Bottom line, I think it's a fold, but that said I'm literally never ever finding it in game so hardly blame you for calling.

I can’t imagine ever folding this. He should have 77 a disproportionate amount of the time, especially since there are no combos of AJs available.

I guess it depends on what 'too loose preflop means'... If he is calling your 3! to 80 with AJo, A4s, A7s... this makes his raise more likely to be ahead of you.

77 possible, but many players who are "very nitty in big pots" will just call river in this already big pot.

I lean towards fold, but definitely not sure if I could do it in real time.

No way you can fold, it's barely more than a minraise OTR.

Due to villain description in the OP i think this is a pretty clear fold. Like he avoids playing pots with hero (now he suddenly wants to stackoff freaking 600 BB deep with a rivershove over a $500 bet), and he plays very nitty in big pots regarding to description.

My estimation is that we are beat against this villain in this spot this deep at a very very high rate. Its very possible he doesent even ship river with bottom boat aka 77.

Not folding as he can easily have 77.

AJos is the only hand that makes sense.

Pretty sure a set of 7s is reraising the flop, even from a passive just to see where they are. AJ should reraise too but he's passive and is likely scared money and scared you have aces due to threebet.

Want to fold but not sure I have the discipline if I were in the moment. He's bad so he could level himself into you having AK/AQ and reraising his flush here expecting a call?

I probably call and ***** about the odds of him having AJ with all 4 jacks in place and this cooler of a runnout when he shows me the AJ.

If his range is all boats (likely given info), then fold.

Another way for you to look at this is your own range and the hands you must call with otherwise in that particular spot you are folding nearly your entire range.

With the 3-bet preflop and As being out there, the only logical hand better that JJ is 1 combination of AA for quads. Most people dont 3-bet A7s and dont bet flop and turn with A4s so they are not in your range on the river. Not sure if AJs is in your 3-bet range.

If you dont have AJs (2 combos) in your 3-bet range then you HAVE to call with the second best hand in your range as there is nothing better you ever have in this spot except quad Aces.

You can have zero calls in all kinds of spots.

While this is true, you have to have the most rock solid read that your opponent can never do this with worse value hands and never has a bluff.

I would have overbet pot OTR.

Never folding here. He shouldn't ever have A4o or A7o here, the suited combos are slim.

Really? Why do we HAVE to call if villains range as played likely only consist of better hands?

$1800 is a huge stack in a 1/3 game. Huge. I am willing to bet on that described villain who have been avoiding playing pots with hero now suddenly wants to play for all of it after we blasts all 3 streets AND fired $500 on the river(huge bet in a 1/3 game)- we are beat.

Torching off another $1200 here (400 blinds) seems like the kind of stuff that is seperating average winning player from a crusher.

True, but this certainly looks like one of those spots when this deep on an Ax paired board w a 3flush getting call call shoved on in a 3b pot. Even if it's just a pop read play, but moreso here against player as described. More Ax open-call pre, nitty deep, not spewing.

Of course, he could be stone ******ed and be trying to actually get value from AK with his flush and Im giving too much credit. Doubt that though.

So many times we get these red herring "reads" in the OP that end up being completely contradictory to the action.

If the guy really is a GG-level nit then I suppose you can find a fold but other than that I don't see how you let it go.

OP has done a poor job of ranging this guy preflop which is really the most important information for deciding what to do here.

Is anybody else considering this is a 6max hand. I need to know more about OPs image other than V is scared to play pots with me. If the answer is because Hero is overly aggressive so V doesn't want to get involved without a hand that can take a favorable flop and play a big pot. AK and 77 seem to fit the bill. Is V doing this with his weak A's? A,J,7,4 seem like a stretch here.

Seems to me like V finally got a 'nutted ' hand and thinks Hero is FOS and jammed. Most always agree with Amana and Petrucci so I'm prolly wrong here to. But I snap call.

Exactly, I doubt he shows up here with 7s because he will almost always raise a set OTF (especially on a flush draw board). He's likely to play more passive with 2-pair.


Honestly, I definitely have both AJs and A7s in my 3-bet range here, at least some of the time. We're incredibly deep so I will 3-bet a pretty wide range (especially 6-max), so JJ is close to my nut low hand here.

What is the contradictory info? He plays too many hands preflop but only puts in big stacks with ~nuttish hands. Him having Aces full here perfectly matches that behavior.

Generally, V only wants to get involved against me with hands where he can flop strong enough to sustain aggression on multiple streets. My image is one of constant aggression (pre and post), so I also think he's likely to slow-play a decent amount against me.

IMO his range preflop definitely includes all combos of A7s, 77, and *some* of AJo. Those are exactly the hands he likes to call against me because he can make nutty hands and just call my aggression.

For the record, I don't think there's almost any hand which V could have that I beat. He raises 77 OTF most of the time and is never raising a flush or trips on this board.

Would this be different if the turn was Ad and the flush draw missed? I could maybe see bluffing if he missed his flush draw, or raising trips where the flush missed. On the other hand, Ad would leave fewer combinations of A7s.

Well you haven’t given results yet so there’s nothing contradictory at the moment. But if results end up with villain shoving A5s than there’s a large disconnect between your reads and reality.

Sounds like you folded and he had A4s or something however.

Should be noted that villain shoves for $1300, not $1300 more than $500 bet.

Or beginning stacks are wrong.