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I completely understand the point about it being a 100bb BI capped game.

But if you fold here... seriously... rack up and rathole your stack. You are playing too deep for your comfort level, rolled or not.

That's a good point.

OP, would you call if you only had $100 remaining? $200? $300? $400? $500?

I like to play for stacks. This is the kind of hand you sit at a table for 6 hours waiting for. You have your reads. You've seen the cards he's brought to showdown. Say a quick prayer and get your money in.

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03-06-2014 , 12:21 AM

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Atmu2006

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Its 605 to win 823 and the only overbet jam mentioned he basically had a nut hand. You don't have odds to call against a straight, 1010 crushes you. This is the reason why people say you can only make x bbs per hour in 1/2 because they wasn't to get it in with 5th nuts in a total guess situation. This guy is going to continue to play bad and spew chips, why give him a chance to take yours where you are badly beating so few hands even if you are ahead.

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03-06-2014 , 12:27 AM

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Atmu2006

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I've pulled 3800+ several times at 1/2 because there's no need to gamble in those spots. People play so poorly, especially a lively gambley table. You also have to consider most of us are human and when you do get it in good against 6s5s and he rivers a 7, a lot of people tilt. Not to mention you give up your winning image and its harder to abuse the table in small pots. When you win its great, when you lose its beyond disaster.

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03-06-2014 , 12:27 AM

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JKoby

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

I subscribe to this mentality. I think it's a call, making sure that you have a barf bag nearby.

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03-06-2014 , 12:43 AM

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Atmu2006

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To answer how much, I'd like at least the odds to call against a straight preferably closer to 2.5:1 because once you call you have to beat two guys to win 323 and then heads up on the side to win 500 for a 605 call.

1.83:1 vs a straight. 300 autocall, 400 barely 2:1 I could go either way, anything more you dint have odds to call heads up against a straight, much less against two guys, one of which likely either has spades or shares outs with you.

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03-06-2014 , 12:53 AM

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Lapidator

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In case you needed any more encouragement...

The final pot will be (115+104+617+617) = 1453. With 617 to call our required equity is 42.5%

All you need is T9, 98, and 2 A

hands in his range and you have enough equity to continue against the rest of his value range.

TBH, I expect to see 8

just as likely as QJ here. His huge overbet shove shouldn't scare you.

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03-06-2014 , 12:57 AM

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Atmu2006

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Originally Posted by Lapidator

In case you needed any more encouragement...

The final pot will be (115+104+617+617) = 1453. With 617 to call our required equity is 42.5%

All you need is T9, 98, and 2 A

hands in his range and you have enough equity to continue against the rest of his value range.

TBH, I expect to see 8

just as likely as QJ here. His huge overbet shove shouldn't scare you.

That's equity heads up with the main pot as dead money, not with a third guy in there correct? Mp didn't bet 105 and then fold to a jam. He's in there too.

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03-06-2014 , 01:00 AM

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JoeyyyyyG

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Fold. Next hand

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03-06-2014 , 01:04 AM

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I disagree with nearly everything you wrote.

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03-06-2014 , 01:08 AM

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Atmu2006

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I disagree with nearly everything you wrote.

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Great post! Care to take time to explain why?

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03-06-2014 , 01:09 AM

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...with almost nothing of yours in the pot

Why do people make these silly comments? What matters is how much is in the pot, not how much you put into the pot.

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03-06-2014 , 01:18 AM

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Atmu2006

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Originally Posted by DrChesspain

Why do people make these silly comments? What matters is how much is in the pot, not how much you put into the pot.

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There's 823 with two players all in. You work out the math that says calling 605 with the 5th nuts vs two players is correct. You are obviously very opinionated but brought less than nothing to the discussion with your two comments, so feel free to add something meaningful and intelligent with reasoning behind it.

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03-06-2014 , 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Atmu2006

Great post! Care to take time to explain why?

It should be pretty obvious and self explanatory to any decent player

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03-06-2014 , 01:25 AM

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DrChesspain

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Well, what I contributed is that I just got you to focus on the proper issue of the amount of money in the pot.

You're welcome.

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03-06-2014 , 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Atmu2006

He's simply stating that whether YOU call or fold is largely based on how much you put into the pot. When in fact it doesn't matter how much you put in. Once the money's in the pot it's no longer yours so don't treat it like its yours or become emotionally attached to it. People defend their blinds all the time with crap, losing tons of $ to defend a measly $2 that wasn't even theirs any longer

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03-06-2014 , 01:28 AM

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Atmu2006

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Originally Posted by DrChesspain

Well, what I contributed is that I just got you to focus on the proper issue of the amount of money in the pot.

Your welcome.

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Don't know English either....awesome. Again...you try to tear apart my posts and don't bother with any discussion of the hand.

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03-06-2014 , 01:30 AM

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Mickeypowell5

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Lol at all the folds...

Fist pump snap call. He could easily be isolating mp with two pair, oe, at, or a fd. I'm never folding this especially with the spr being -6 with dead money.

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03-06-2014 , 01:31 AM

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Don't know English either....awesome. Again...you try to tear apart my posts and don't bother with any discussion of the hand.

Awesome dude...you snap replied in the 20 seconds before I fixed my typo.

Don't be so invested in your own ego.

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03-06-2014 , 01:32 AM

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slimshady1999

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Call based on reads. Against typical players you'll be up against ate or straights almost alway so you can fold to them.

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03-06-2014 , 01:38 AM

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Atmu2006

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Originally Posted by slimshady1999

I agree with this. I was talking about having not put any money in thus having no pot commitment (which is based on the percentage of your stack you've put in). Getting 2:1 after putting in half your stack in vs getting 2:1 Where you've put in nothing are two different situations given the same reads. I was not talking about blind defending with awful cards etc.

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03-06-2014 , 01:40 AM

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JoeyyyyyG

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Originally Posted by DrChesspain

Don't be so invested in your own ego.

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03-06-2014 , 01:42 AM

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Atmu2006

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Originally Posted by DrChesspain

Awesome dude...you snap replied in the 20 seconds before I fixed my typo.

Don't be so invested in your own ego.

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Dude just add something. You don't agree with my thought process...great...explain why so everyone can learn. That's what a forum is for. Not for you to come in and go... "You're wrong" and leave.

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03-06-2014 , 01:49 AM

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sbarnhouse

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Results in spoiler?

Fwiw I prob sigh call. His range doing this is far too wide.

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03-06-2014 , 02:11 AM

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donkatruck

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I guess my question is, how long ago were the two setup hands? How big was his stack when he shoved w/ air. How big when he shoved with trip J's. If that is all much earlier with a short (ish) stack, it ranges him way more to a straight here. I just can't find a call here, certainly not a fist-pump call, when most of the time, we are a 2:1 dog.

Fold, make him show his cards and move on with you and agrro old man coffee still with big stacks.

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03-06-2014 , 02:13 AM

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@rctic monkey

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So, first you say: "villain shoves K4 on a q77 flop."
But when he isoes a shorty his range is obv QJ and 67..

Please don't fold here.
And yes, you will have to flip alot of the time here, but don't be sooo scared!

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