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Old 06-29-2020, 09:00 PM   #2326
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Re: Self quarantine: the LLSNL Coronaids thread

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It's quite possible. I know there's an organization out there collecting volunteers already. The thing is, we've got multiple vaccines in phase 3 trials already, and those are the ones that a challenge trial would usually replace, so clearly at least some of the developers are not comfortable with that route.
It was the 1976 Swine Flu breakout where they rushed a vaccine and it did more harm than the virus. If they get a vaccine out this year I will sit it out and let the general public be phase 4.
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Old 06-29-2020, 11:17 PM   #2327
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Are you talking worldwide or just USA#1? We're already halfway there worldwide so that certainly doesn't seem unreasonable.

Again, I'm not a pandemic historian by any means, but the Hong Kong Flu pandemic of 1968 seems very similar to this pandemic in many ways (especially regarding the elderly making up the bulk of the casualties) and it's estimated to have taken between 1 million - 4 million.

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I was talking about the U.S., although I recognize that “we” make up a small % of the world.

1968 was a very long time ago though.. medicine has advanced quite a bit since then
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Old 06-29-2020, 11:19 PM   #2328
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Garick does a pretty incredible job for a “volunteer” imo. You guys should listen to him...

His time management skills must be off the charts.

PG&C and NV&G are both disasters, for example, imo.
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:13 AM   #2329
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I don't see any reason not to do Challenge testing if it's more efficient. If participants give fully informed consent, are adults and of sound mind then it's 100% ethical. I imagine it wouldn't be hard to find enough volunteers if you pay them something.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:14 AM   #2330
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Re: Self quarantine: the LLSNL Coronaids thread

Just happened upon this little gem re vaccines in an article on investing in health stocks:

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Nearly 150 COVID-19 vaccine candidates are currently being researched. Seventeen of those are in clinical trials, with more on the way.
Of those, one is currently in phase 3 trials and another is about to start them.
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Old 06-30-2020, 10:36 AM   #2331
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**** it, I'll be a research subject for a vaccine. I'm not afraid.
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Old 06-30-2020, 11:45 AM   #2332
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Don't worry the first batch will go to the military.
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Old 06-30-2020, 12:44 PM   #2333
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If participants give fully informed consent
Sure. The disclosures will be like the same you see when you download an app. How many people read them?
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Old 06-30-2020, 01:51 PM   #2334
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Sure. The disclosures will be like the same you see when you download an app. How many people read them?
If the information is provided to you and you refuse to read it that’s on you.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:23 PM   #2335
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Re: Self quarantine: the LLSNL Coronaids thread

By July 16, basically the entire SK economy will be open. Restaurants & bars at max capacity BUT still need 6' spacing (was 50% regardless of spacing).

Casino opens next week... but no table games.

No mandatory mask requirements, though recommended. And according to what the Breezes have seen, 50-75% mask usage seems to be the uptake here.

Only 88 active cases here.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:33 PM   #2336
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By July 16, basically the entire SK economy will be open. Restaurants & bars at max capacity BUT still need 6' spacing (was 50% regardless of spacing).

Casino opens next week... but no table games.

No mandatory mask requirements, though recommended. And according to what the Breezes have seen, 50-75% mask usage seems to be the uptake here.

Only 88 active cases here.
Surprised you see such a large mask usage there? I haven't been keeping an accurate tally by no means, but my visits to grocery / home hardware / etc. would have me more guesstimating 25% mask usage at most. Fairly certain if it was in the 75% range that I'd feel more like the odd man / ******* out and feel more compelled to wear one.

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Old 06-30-2020, 04:42 PM   #2337
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I thought SK is South Korea. Is it also Canada?

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Old 06-30-2020, 04:52 PM   #2338
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Surprised you see such a large mask usage there? I haven't been keeping an accurate tally by no means, but my visits to grocery / home hardware / etc. would have me more guesstimating 25% mask usage at most. Fairly certain if it was in the 75% range that I'd feel more like the odd man / ******* out and feel more compelled to wear one.

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Just reporting what Mrs Breeze has seen. She said Walmart was lowest, grocery stores were much higher. Pharmacy was 100%.

Because of my health, I will probably be wearing a mask until there’s a significant medical advancement. When I leave the house.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:53 PM   #2339
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I thought SK is South Korea. Is it also Canada?

Yup. SK is postal abbreviation for Saskatchewan.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:59 PM   #2340
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Don't worry the first batch will go to the military.
Well they might be consistent and make covid vaccinations mandatory for anyone under 44. But 65 will have an exemption for health risks, such as 'needles make me feel old.'
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:19 PM   #2341
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I remember getting the swine flu, anthrax and small pox vaccine all the same day.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:25 PM   #2342
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When you entered the Marines, were they still using those "inoculation guns" instead of needles? Damn those things sucked. IIRC, I get 4-7 shots pumped into my arm via pressure alone in like 5 minutes.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:56 PM   #2343
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When you entered the Marines, were they still using those "inoculation guns" instead of needles? Damn those things sucked. IIRC, I get 4-7 shots pumped into my arm via pressure alone in like 5 minutes.
No, just the needles. Though they did have a nice habit of losing my medical record. I must've gotten the same vaccines 3 times one year.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:10 PM   #2344
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No, just the needles. Though they did have a nice habit of losing my medical record. I must've gotten the same vaccines 3 times one year.

if they’d given you the AIDS vaccine too, your post count would be 10x less
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:18 PM   #2345
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When I entered the Air Force, we got this style of shots in Basic:



They totally sucked, as you can see from the blood running from the previous injection site:



I heard they stopped using them due to the risk of getting some other guy's blood transferring from the gun into your injection site.
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Old 06-30-2020, 06:23 PM   #2346
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Surprised you see such a large mask usage there? I haven't been keeping an accurate tally by no means, but my visits to grocery / home hardware / etc. would have me more guesstimating 25% mask usage at most. Fairly certain if it was in the 75% range that I'd feel more like the odd man / ******* out and feel more compelled to wear one.

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Ya'll crazy for going out. I was previously going out to pick up food from restaurants and fast food but after seeing employees preparing food with masks around their chins instead of around their mouths and noses I've stopped doing that too. My cars have just been sitting in my garage getting no use.

Last time I was at a hardware store they had N95 masks on display for sale. (I doubt that is still the case). It's been many months. I thought I was going to have to go to pick up some muriatic acid but I ended up picking up 2 gallons from a neighbor that left it out for me.
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Someday perhaps.
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Ya'll crazy for going out. I was previously going out to pick up food from restaurants and fast food but after seeing employees preparing food with masks around their chins instead of around their mouths and noses I've stopped doing that too. My cars have just been sitting in my garage getting no use.

Last time I was at a hardware store they had N95 masks on display for sale. (I doubt that is still the case). It's been many months. I thought I was going to have to go to pick up some muriatic acid but I ended up picking up 2 gallons from a neighbor that left it out for me.

Not everyone delivers. Self quarantine: the LLSNL Coronaids thread
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Old 06-30-2020, 07:03 PM   #2349
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legit lol’ed
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Old 06-30-2020, 09:41 PM   #2350
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Ya'll crazy for going out. I was previously going out to pick up food from restaurants and fast food but after seeing employees preparing food with masks around their chins instead of around their mouths and noses I've stopped doing that too. My cars have just been sitting in my garage getting no use.


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We had been under a state executive order to wear masks indoors. Globogym's stats crept up to maybe 50% of people literally wearing a mask, if you count those who hung it under their chin . I would start on the treadmill breathing through the mask and remove it once I could no longer take it, @halfway through a 30 min jog. The next executive order closed all the gymnasia until July 29th.
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