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Old 05-28-2020, 10:11 PM   #1976
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Re: Self quarantine: the LLSNL Coronaids thread

Yeah, let's stop this now.
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Old 05-28-2020, 10:28 PM   #1977
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I tip my hat to Texas. Here's to the outside hope I get to go to all of Michigan's games this year https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/texas-a...porting-events
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I tip my hat to Texas. Here's to the outside hope I get to go to all of Michigan's games this year https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/texas-a...porting-events
At this point from the players point of view, Covid only triples the death rate for them based on the latest data. For most if not all, that's probably not enough to discourage them. On the the other hand, even a "mild" case of it means losing players for two months or more. The training staff is going to play an enormous role in the national championship hunt. Lose a couple of key players and your dreams are gone. They are going to have to keep those training facilities sanitized.
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Old Yesterday, 03:09 PM   #1979
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At this point from the players point of view, Covid only triples the death rate for them based on the latest data. For most if not all, that's probably not enough to discourage them. On the the other hand, even a "mild" case of it means losing players for two months or more. The training staff is going to play an enormous role in the national championship hunt. Lose a couple of key players and your dreams are gone. They are going to have to keep those training facilities sanitized.
What exactly do you mean by the bolded? I'm having difficulties understanding what that means.

It'll be interesting to see what they do if a player gets the virus. I know all early reports said players will be more or less quarantined the entire season. So I wonder if they'd have to he pulled if they weren't actually affected by the virus if they're not interacting with anyone besides their team and the teams they play.

It seems as though they're acting like nothing ever happened and are playing the season as planned in the fall, which surprises me. I really thought they'd have the season in the fall, or at least get rid of non conference.

This is very good, in my opinion. This is another push towards going back to normal. I don't want the hospitals to get overrun, and I hope no one at all does. However, who the hell knows if/when we're getting a vaccine. We can't just stay in our houses indefinitely. That's madness. Unfortunately people will die, but it seems to me all we're doing right now is delaying deaths, not actually preventing them.

I had a chiropractor appointment, and my chiropractor was livid with how we're reacting. I was shocked at how up front he was, considering he could really offend me if I was in support of the lockdown. Thankfully for him, I'm not. But he used a really good analogy that stuck. He said "as a society we have speed limits that allow people to get from point a to point b efficiently. We accept that more people will die than if there were slower speed limits, and more people would die from the slower speed limits than if we outlawed automobiles. It's time to make the automobile legal again, and speed the f*ck up before more people lose their livelihood."

I couldn't believe he came on that strong and dropped an f bomb just like that, but I respect the hell out of him for it, and couldn't agree more.
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Well his livelihood is directly linked to the lockdown so I don't get why you are surprised at his opinion.
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Old Yesterday, 03:44 PM   #1981
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It's just not normal to be sharing political opinions and using language like that in front of a customer. Then again, he probably also realizes that he's as good as they come, and won't have a problem getting new patients.
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If you have a 0.1% chance of death from playing football then a 0.3% chance of Covid mortality for an 18-22 yr old would be triple.
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The training staff is going to play an enormous role in the national championship hunt. Lose a couple of key players and your dreams are gone.
This would be more the case in the NFL than college football. The top teams in college football tend to be very deep. Injuries happen and it rarely derails anything. College teams have way more players than NFL teams (85 scholarship + walk-ons vs 53 man NFL roster) and there tends to be less of a drop off from the starters to the backups. I'd say when asked to perform college backups surprise to the upside way more than NFL backups. Sometimes the college player simply hasn't been given an opportunity yet and sometimes they are even more talented than the starter but are just young.

The greater risk would be if a large # of players/staff from one team got it which could potentially result in the rest of their season being cancelled.
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If you have a 0.1% chance of death from playing football then a 0.3% chance of Covid mortality for an 18-22 yr old would be triple.
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This would be more the case in the NFL than college football. The top teams in college football tend to be very deep. Injuries happen and it rarely derails anything. College teams have way more players than NFL teams (85 scholarship + walk-ons vs 53 man NFL roster) and there tends to be less of a drop off from the starters to the backups. I'd say when asked to perform college backups surprise to the upside way more than NFL backups. Sometimes the college player simply hasn't been given an opportunity yet and sometimes they are even more talented than the starter but are just young.

The greater risk would be if a large # of players/staff from one team got it which could potentially result in the rest of their season being cancelled.
that's backwards. NFL teams have can replace an average player with an unlimited pool of candidates that have completed their physical development. In the college game you often have only one serviceable backup outside the SEC. It's extremely noticeable in the trenches where players need up to 2 years to get to playing weight.
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that's backwards. NFL teams have can replace an average player with an unlimited pool of candidates that have completed their physical development. In the college game you often have only one serviceable backup outside the SEC. It's extremely noticeable in the trenches where players need up to 2 years to get to playing weight.
Que Garick to come in and say DC was telling
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that's backwards. NFL teams have can replace an average player with an unlimited pool of candidates that have completed their physical development.
Average players are replaceable in both college football and pros. Hell in the pros you can sign someone off the waiver wires that can be serviceable for a period of time. However, if you lose a very good player in the NFL you're generally screwed because free agency and salary caps don't allow you to stack your teams with talent.

If I'm a talented NFL player, I'm not going to stay in a backup position for the rest of my career. I'm gonna sign a big contract with the hapless Bengals. In college football, I'm just going to wait my turn for the most part. Sure, there is more movement between teams in college football than there was 10 or 20 years ago but still a lot of times if a player gets injured it's next year's starter that will step in and take his place (and it's not like the NFL where a team can compete for the Super Bowl one year and then be at the bottom of the division next).

Top tier programs in college football sign fifteen to twenty 4 and/or 5 star recruits every year. The lower tier programs are lucky to sign one or two 4 star recruits (no 5 star recruits) a year and most of their best signings are 3 star recruits. There's just not parity in college football like there is in the NFL.

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In the college game you often have only one serviceable backup outside the SEC.
We were specifically talking about teams with legitimate National Championship aspirations. If we are discussing middle tier programs like Michigan, that's another story altogether.
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Average players are replaceable in both college football and pros. Hell in the pros you can sign someone off the waiver wires that can be serviceable for a period of time. However, if you lose a very good player in the NFL you're generally screwed because free agency and salary caps don't allow you to stack your teams with talent.

If I'm a talented NFL player, I'm not going to stay in a backup position for the rest of my career. I'm gonna sign a big contract with the hapless Bengals. In college football, I'm just going to wait my turn for the most part. Sure, there is more movement between teams in college football than there was 10 or 20 years ago but still a lot of times if a player gets injured it's next year's starter that will step in and take his place (and it's not like the NFL where a team can compete for the Super Bowl one year and then be at the bottom of the division next).

Top tier programs in college football sign fifteen to twenty 4 and/or 5 star recruits every year. The lower tier programs are lucky to sign one or two 4 star recruits (no 5 star recruits) a year and most of their best signings are 3 star recruits. There's just not parity in college football like there is in the NFL.



We were specifically talking about teams with legitimate National Championship aspirations. If we are discussing middle tier programs like Michigan, that's another story altogether.
I'm glad we agree. The effect is less noticeable on the SEC teams. many people say they over-sign above the scholarship limit and move out the underperformers by hook or crook. But it is still noticeable because even they cannot get transfers from jr colleges during the season.

And I don't agree with the last. A team like Michigan usually has a fair number of NFL draft picks starting but their backups are a noticeable drop off.
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The top teams in college football tend to be very deep. Injuries happen and it rarely derails anything. College teams have way more players than NFL teams (85 scholarship + walk-ons vs 53 man NFL roster) and there tends to be less of a drop off from the starters to the backups.
That is much more the exception than the rule. Any college player that is going to have potential to play in the NFL is going to move if he's a backup unless he's a freshman or a sophomore. He isn't going to stay as a back up long. If fact, if there is a chance he'd be a backup for long, he wouldn't even sign.

@67o, in theory a season long quarantine works. The reality is you aren't going to isolate teenagers and early 20 year olds for 7 months without them seeing their buddies, gf, wife.
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@67o, in theory a season long quarantine works. The reality is you aren't going to isolate teenagers and early 20 year olds for 7 months without them seeing their buddies, gf, wife.
Has there ever been a long quarantine of healthy people anywhere in the world ever, outside of war occupied areas? I can't think of a single example.

Does the in theory part take into account the mental health issues created when you lockdown healthy people?
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That is much more the exception than the rule. Any college player that is going to have potential to play in the NFL is going to move if he's a backup unless he's a freshman or a sophomore. He isn't going to stay as a back up long. If fact, if there is a chance he'd be a backup for long, he wouldn't even sign.

@67o, in theory a season long quarantine works. The reality is you aren't going to isolate teenagers and early 20 year olds for 7 months without them seeing their buddies, gf, wife.

Plus the coaches, refs and support staff.
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That is much more the exception than the rule. Any college player that is going to have potential to play in the NFL is going to move if he's a backup unless he's a freshman or a sophomore. He isn't going to stay as a back up long. If fact, if there is a chance he'd be a backup for long, he wouldn't even sign.
Top recruits can generally contribute very early in their college careers and national title contenders are stacked with these studs. Both Clemson and LSU had a good # of sophomore starters last year.
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The first two draft choices this year weren't starters at the beginning of their sophomore year.
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Plus the coaches, refs and support staff.
Must stop the scrum and practice regular ball sanitization.
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The first two draft choices this year weren't starters at the beginning of their sophomore year.
That's kind of a silly statement considering Chase Young (#2 pick) was 2nd Team All Big 10 as a Sophomore. In the depth charts for the 1st game of his sophomore season he was in bold as a possible starter (i'll take your word that he didn't start but it's pretty irrelevant). As a sophomore Joe Burrows (#1 pick) hurt his hand but he's an example that kind of proves my point. He was the backup to JT Barrett (who was 3x first team All Big 10, including as a Freshman). If JT Barrett were to get injured they had studs like Joe Burrows backing him up.

And the top prospect for next year's draft Trevor Lawrence started as a freshman as did players who have been projected to go #2 overall including Ja'Marr Chase and Gregory Rousseau.
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The greater risk will be a quarterback gets it or a quarterback coach gets it and then gives it to all the other quarterbacks. If that happens maybe we'll finally see someone implement my no quarterback system which I advocated for over a decade ago.
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Top recruits can generally contribute very early in their college careers and national title contenders are stacked with these studs. Both Clemson and LSU had a good # of sophomore starters last year.
Yup. Lower end programs don't often send people but top tier trans you'll see stuff like 18 out of 22 starters go pro.

College is all about recruiting. The top talent is just so above and beyond already without much value added from coaching so if you can collect a good number of them you crush. Ladanian thomlinson, Reggie bush, D'anthony Thomas all were crushers early on in college.

What's really wild is when you watch high school clips of players from that tier of talent. Some of LT's high school clips were just absurd. Like an olympian running around toddlers.
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Players are so much more prepared to come in early and make an impact these days. That's in large part due to early enrollment which allows players to enroll in school 7 to 8 months earlier, participate in spring practice, and get a head start on learning the game.
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