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11-23-2020 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Business travel has been technologically unnecessary for years. IT's a power play and that isn't going away.
this isn't really true. there are far more valuable interactions that happen when you're in the same room as people, both in the meeting and also before and afterwards. Just like so much of the effectiveness of an executive or a manager come in the more informal interactions they have with colleagues, team, clients etc.

and as a salesperson/business developer, the 'I'm going to be in your suburb/city/country...can we meet up' is by far the best excuse to secure a meeting and way more effective than any other method.

this year will definitely encourage people/companies to re-evaluate their travel and I do think it'll reduce moving forward...in the same way that companies will reduce their office/premises footprints moving forward...but a good portion of it will re-instate.

personally I've taken about $30k off my business cost base this year by not travelling, but I suspect most of it will go back on by 2022
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11-23-2020 , 05:26 PM
Lots of meetings have to happen IRL for people to come to terms in negotiations. This is even more true for difficult conversations.
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11-23-2020 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 11t
Lots of meetings have to happen IRL for people to come to terms in negotiations. This is even more true for difficult conversations.

Sad but true

It’s easy to be a dick behind a computer or phone. It’s much harder when you have to look the other person in the eye.


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11-23-2020 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
If by soon you mean 2nd quarter of 2021, then yeah sure.

Manufacturing billions of doses is the issue if the first 3-4 are truly ready for widespread use.

The second issue is going to be getting people to take it.
I don't think there's going to be this huge problem of getting people to take it like a lot of people think.

Fauci already said that normal, not at risk people should be able to start taking it by April.

If people aren't dying from it, I don't see why the economy would still be shut down. I mean I don't believe in the government shutting down anything, even now with record cases, but getting in the brains of the far left I don't see why they would still want it shut down with that in mind.
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11-23-2020 , 05:53 PM
The first vaccine it might have been impossible due to temperature storage requirements of -80degC iirc. The second vaccine that was also 90%+ eff can be stored in standard methods and has an easier infrastructure path to general deployment.
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11-23-2020 , 05:55 PM
Katie bar the door on WSOP 2021 if COVID has passed and the stock market and crypto are ATH.
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11-23-2020 , 06:04 PM
https://www.news.com.au/world/europe...a1d38548eabff9

'failed' is a strong word .... as most of us have discussed and agreed it's too simplistic purely to look at Sweden's/other countries case & death numbers and broad GDP figures - you'll need some complex actuarial type equation that accommodates all the variable factors to evaluate different approaches once this is all over, but it does seem as if the Swedish approach has hit some significant roadbumps
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11-23-2020 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
It’s easy to be a dick behind a computer or phone. It’s much harder when you have to look the other person in the eye.
I finally got around to watching Wolf of Wall Street yesterday. I imagine all phone business deals are done in this manner?

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11-23-2020 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
If by soon you mean 2nd quarter of 2021, then yeah sure.

Manufacturing billions of doses is the issue if the first 3-4 are truly ready for widespread use.

The second issue is going to be getting people to take it.
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Fauci already said that normal, not at risk people should be able to start taking it by April.

If people aren't dying from it, I don't see why the economy would still be shut down. I
Dude, April IS the second quarter of 2021.
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11-23-2020 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
this isn't really true. there are far more valuable interactions that happen when you're in the same room as people, both in the meeting and also before and afterwards. Just like so much of the effectiveness of an executive or a manager come in the more informal interactions they have with colleagues, team, clients etc.

and as a salesperson/business developer, the 'I'm going to be in your suburb/city/country...can we meet up' is by far the best excuse to secure a meeting and way more effective than any other method.

this year will definitely encourage people/companies to re-evaluate their travel and I do think it'll reduce moving forward...in the same way that companies will reduce their office/premises footprints moving forward...but a good portion of it will re-instate.

personally I've taken about $30k off my business cost base this year by not travelling, but I suspect most of it will go back on by 2022
That's pretty much what I said in fewer words.

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Originally Posted by BrotherLove9


Preamble

Please find below a quick summary of Ivor Cummings' work. I tried my best to stay as close to the source material as possible, but added some additional links to support some of his work that wasn't fully referenced, and used his twitter account to get additional graphs and explanations. But as far as the content below is concerned, my input has been minimal; consider me as a glorified secretary.

Disclaimer: I am biased towards Ivor Cummings' works. I have watched many of his YouTube videos. I have bought his book. I have made donations to him. I don't have a science degree.

Note 1: Ignore the red dots in the screenshots. It is a mouse cursor highlighter.
Note 2: All words or sentences between double quotes " are direct citations from Ivor Cummings himself.


The seasonality of the virus
Let's start with some similarities between the flu and Covid-19.

It has been known for a while that Covid-19 is a seasonal virus following a pattern very similar to influenza. In Europe (northern temperate), the risk of dying of Covid-19 follows a Gompertz curve (article):

This is true of all epidemics, such as the Spanish Flu:



The seasonality of the flu can be seen every year (look at the bump around January):



Covid-19 is a "cold" virus belonging to the coronavirus family so its seasonality somewhat matches the flu season:



Using the book 'The Transmission of Epidemic Influenza', the seasonality in the southern hemisphere is different from the seasonality in northern temperate areas. In northern temperate, a virus like the flu is only active during the winter. In tropical climates, the virus is present all year long but the curve is less 'high':



Let's observe examples for Covid-19. The death reached 12 per million per day in Italy (northern temperate) but fell sharply after the peak. But Peru and Brazil (tropical/sub-tropical) had a slower and steadier rise in death. It fell from August but smoothly, not sharply as it was the case in Italy:



[*]Do you know anyone who died of Covid-19? Among your family, friends and colleagues? Do you know anyone who knows someone who died of Covid-19? Do you actually know someone who had it? Almost all of you will answer 'no' to the first two questions and some of you to all 3 questions; this is how rare it is.

[*] Covid-19 deaths are driven by seasonality, not by people locking down or wearing face masks.[*] Ignore cases/infections. They are scare tactics to impose restrictions on the population.[*] There is no second wave. Epidemics have one big wave then the virus becomes endemic with a smaller seasonal impact. [*] Beware of numbers reported by the mainstream media.[*] Covid-19 mortality is similar to a bad flu season. [/LIST]
So one thing from this thesis stuck with me is the theory that Covid follows the flu and will vary depending on climate. I am in the Southern USA right now with my windows open. It **should** mean our covid is burning off. But we started to spike in October just as our weather improved from 105 F to 90 F. Despite near opposite outdoor lifestyle we are following the northern states. In fact our daily case total shot up to match the 4th of July numbers, when it was 115 F and everyone stayed indoors.

and yes I know someone who died from it.
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11-23-2020 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Dude, April IS the second quarter of 2021.

lol. I only saw the second post cuz you quoted it
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11-23-2020 , 07:37 PM
Hopefully, the anti-maskers will have the decency to wait at the end of the line for their dose(s). 2022 at the earliest for them.
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11-23-2020 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Dude, April IS the second quarter of 2021.
It's been a long week
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11-23-2020 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
It's been a long week

Dude, it’s Monday.
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11-23-2020 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I don't think there's going to be this huge problem of getting people to take it like a lot of people think.

Fauci already said that normal, not at risk people should be able to start taking it by April.

If people aren't dying from it, I don't see why the economy would still be shut down. I mean I don't believe in the government shutting down anything, even now with record cases, but getting in the brains of the far left I don't see why they would still want it shut down with that in mind.

I think you seriously underestimate anti-vaccination sentiment. But that has already been discussed in here a number of times.
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11-23-2020 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
It's been a long week
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
Dude, it’s Monday.
lol
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11-23-2020 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
I think you seriously underestimate anti-vaccination sentiment. But that has already been discussed in here a number of times.
58% + more people will when places say you can't come here without the vaccine. I've also seen American left saying they'll get it when Biden is president but said no before because they don't trust Trump. Trump admin is speaking positively about it too, so I don't see this being the problem you think it will be.
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11-24-2020 , 11:23 AM
The US doesn't have a monopoly on covid-19 vaccines. Some Americans have already taken the Chinese vaccine.
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11-25-2020 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by prairiebreeze
I think you seriously underestimate anti-vaccination sentiment. But that has already been discussed in here a number of times.
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
58% + more people will when places say you can't come here without the vaccine. I've also seen American left saying they'll get it when Biden is president but said no before because they don't trust Trump. Trump admin is speaking positively about it too, so I don't see this being the problem you think it will be.
Measles was making a comeback in the US....think about that for a second.

Half of America doesn't even get a flu shot because they think it will make them sick lol.

Combine that with half of them think Covid is a hoax. How many you think will be lining up to take the vaccine? Never underestimate the number of stupid mother fackers in this world.
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11-25-2020 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Measles was making a comeback in the US....think about that for a second.

Half of America doesn't even get a flu shot because they think it will make them sick lol.

Combine that with half of them think Covid is a hoax. How many you think will be lining up to take the vaccine? Never underestimate the number of stupid mother fackers in this world.
Everything you said is definitely a thing, but if a business says you can't come here/work here without the vaccine I think they'll get it. I do hypothesize that this will be a thing if vaccination rates are a problem.
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11-25-2020 , 12:27 AM
Business owners will not make themselves the arbiters of who takes a vaccine
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11-25-2020 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by IAMthepokerhack
Business owners will not make themselves the arbiters of who takes a vaccine
Wanna bet?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ct...1_5202091.html
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11-25-2020 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
I'm surprised Australian news travelled so far so quickly but I suspect that many international airlines will do this to both protect their employees and also their business.

It'll be way more enjoyable to fly long haul without masks or any other kind of covid induced limitations

plus, I suspect Australia will continue to force all international arrivals to quarantine for 2 weeks unless they can show that they've been vaccinated. We're effectively covid free here and there's no way we'll risk it spreading via international travellers
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11-25-2020 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
That could really mess up the vacation plans of all the anti-vaccers who plan on flying Qantas Air.
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11-25-2020 , 04:38 AM
Well that's a shame
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