Played an interesting hand last night & wanted to get some feedback/constructive criticism... Was playing 1/2NL at casino. Have a pretty tight table image--> only played a few hands up until that point & only hand shown at river was AJ suited. I open from UTG +2 w KK for $10... get 3 callers behind--> flop comes 10-6-6 2 diamonds. i lead for $20 & guy to my immediate left flats, 2 others fold--> turn comes 2h, doesnt change much. I lead out again for $30. My thinking here is that against this player(pretty solid, capable of making a move in weird spots), is that im still ahead of most of his range--> QQ, JJ, A10, 99, 88, A10, K10 suited, maybe Q-10 suited but not likely. So i lead for $30, he tanks for a cple min & puts in a raise to $105... Im thinking there's a chance he has AA, but feel as tho he wouldve reraised pre if he had that. Could have 1010... i thought the only 6 in his range after i raise pre is A6 suited. Was more on nitty side so ruled out 7-6, 8-6, etc. Thought more likely than these holdings there was chance he was turning his QQ's, JJ,s, A10, K10, flush draw hands into a bluff here & trying to take it down on the turn if he puts me on a AK, AQ suited type hand or even KK if he thinks im capable of making big fold. Based on this i flat the turn. He has roughly $120 behind & im fairly certain hes jamming any river--> river bricks off, 4c. I check he immediately jams for remaining $111... Pot is at ~$321. I immediately think he either has 1010, A6 suited, or QQ, JJ, A10, K10... I think more often than not he flips over hands I beat as opposed to winners against me. I call, he flips over A6 suited SMH... Anything yall would do differently in this hand?? Maybe check call turn for pot control as well as hes never folding hands that beat us to a turn bet? Lmk what yall think!!

I also think your flop bet is on the small side. Probably can go $25-$30, I think somewhere in between is good.

$30 into $80 is a bit small and he's shown no signs of aggression so I think he's drawing or has a Tx and I want to get value from that so I bet bigger.

$40-$45 could even go $50.

I don't understand why you think he has only A6, sets or overpairs. I think he has no AA a ton of 6x, some draws and rarely a Tx raises here, but your sizing is odd and might induce. As played, kind of just stuck in call or fold mode can't do anything else.

Going on nothing else, our image, plus EP raise and double barreling on a paired board, I let my overpair go.


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Please post your hands better and if you posted results because I stopped reading after the turn. Don't post them.

Probably raise a bit bigger pre.

I'd probably check the flop with the intention of betting turn and river if it checks through or check/calling a bet otherwise. We are prob just way ahead in this hand but we can't go for 3 streets of value so I would give them some a little room to bluff while protecting my check range, especially if I have the K

After you bet flop I would check turn instead, again with the intention of check/calling or betting most rivers if it checks through.

When you bet turn and he raises you better be ready to start reading souls, because your entire range is now bluffcatchers.

Don't see you getting may replies

Fixed it da best I cud op

Yeah I agree w betting more on turn. If we're gonna bet needs to be higher than $30. Although at that point, I was still betting for value in case he was drawing but still isnt equitable to only bet $30 into ~$85 pot on turn.

I was eliminating most of his 6x range cause I perceived him as an older, "only play premium hands" player. Up until that point he was only opening w premium & aside from a few hands didnt see him get out of line too much--> prob a bad read in judgment on my part to narrow his range so much :/

In retrospect, I feel like if I bet the turn & he raises I'm almost pot commited at that point. He raised to $105 & had $111 behind so when I call turn im hoping it goes check check on river or if he jams I feel like I have to call after calling raise on turn.

How do I notify people when I post results?

Thanks for your input!! Appreciate it

Kind of iffy to check the flush draw board, it's fine in theory to get that 2 streets of value and allow opponents to make mistakes + we will find out pretty obviously if somebody has a 6 some % of the time.

I just think we miss a little value by not betting here and getting 2 streets of value vs FD. We also risk a bigger card coming off and killing our street of value from Tx.

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It's fine to either not post results at all, or post them after most of the discussion about the hand is over (24-48 hrs or so later).

They shouldn't affect people's thoughts on the hand.

Thanks Avaritia!! Deff more condensed & not as much of a "novel" as what I posted lol

The only thing I would have done different is fold to the Turn Raise. You said he was on the nitty side. I do not think that he would try to turn very many hands into bluffs here because any of the hands he would be turning into bluffs have HUGE show value. He polarized his Range to very good hands and xx Diamonds. Diamonds Never Raises This spot thus he almost is always going to have a 6x hand when he raises.

Just my option

Sorry Playbig2000 forgot to include stack sizes :/--> beginning of hand im $288 & villian is ~$230 or so

Totally agree for most part Coltenn... Villian played a few hands earlier in night where he called UTG raises w hands like A10 off, KQ off, Q10 suited. He was nitty but every now & then would call early raises w less than premium so thought there was chance he could have a similar holding. Youre right tho once he raises turn it really kinda narrows his range to hands that only have me beat or have a ton of EP. You think I should bet turn & fold to his raise or check & maybe just call behind??

I bet JJ/QQ, check KK/AA here.

I guess betting KK as well or betting non KK/AA's or something could be the play.

I'm hesitant to go bet/bet into 3 people though, and I do want some strong hands in my c/c range cause I will be checking this flop a lot vs 3 ppl.

I actually like this approach. Its scary checking flop w flush/straight draws out there. I think betting flop is okay but for sure check turn instead of leading out again... like you said, once he raises turn my range is mostly just bluffcatchers. Thanks for the input, I like your take on the hand!

I think KK is a bluff catcher when he raises. But there is to much value there to check the turn

agree

Don't agree so quickly. There is a lot of money to be made in these spots by checking that I did not bring up.

Just as easily as a high card can kill our action, it can just as easily provide 2 fat streets of value.

You can't also always be scared of playing FD boards slow, straight draw boards, or paired boards, or even all 3.

I just don't think it's optimal in a 4 way pot. If this was heads up, you have a lot more options on how you can play it. Or even 3 ways.

I think a C-bet is your best play in this spot. You will get value from worse hands and also pick up valuable information for the later streets. Checking does have merit though.

I agree with what you are saying just not in this spot Dochrohan.