$1/$2 - No Limit Holdem
Seat 1: Seat 1 ($285)
Seat 2: Hero ($425)
Seat 3: Seat 3 ($80)
Seat 4: Seat 4 ($80)
Seat 5: Seat 5 ($80)
Seat 6: Seat 6 ($80)
Seat 7: Seat 7 ($80)
Seat 8: Seat 8 ($80)
Seat 9: Seat 9 ($80)
Hero posts the small blind of $1
Seat 3 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ac As]
Seat 4 calls $2
Seat 5 calls $2
Seat 6 folds
Seat 7 folds
Seat 8 calls $2
Seat 9 calls $2
Seat 1 calls $2
Hero raises to $15
Seat 3 folds
Seat 4 folds
Seat 5 folds
Seat 8 folds
Seat 9 folds
Seat 1 calls $13
*** FLOP *** [Jd 6c 4s]
Hero bets $20
Seat 1 calls $20
*** TURN *** [Jd 6c 4s] [7h]
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I havent read the spoiler but that turn is about as safe as it gets. All of the Jx hands in his range are calling, Im he sure he could have 55,88,99 since a lot of live game players love to limp call these hands.

Im not really sure what your questioning I guess...the hands that the turn helps are few and far between....With zero reads on anyone Im continuing until he gives me a reason not to. The only plausible hand the turn hits and hurts us is 67, but I cant really give any input on that considering theres zero info in your post.

Sooooo yah....fire away

PS- After I read the spoiler I may cry (After reading the spoiler, no tears)

GCS

OP please include more info in your next post (Reads, your image, villains image, any history) itll make things easier

I reccomend 1) against posting spoilers, as most people can't resist reading them and thus give results oriented responses and 2) for posting reads on your Vs.

Why is almost everyone sitting with $80? Is that the max BI at your game?

With 5 limpers in front of you, $15 is way too small pre. Game conditions vary, but I reccomend somewhere in the range of 5BB +1 per limper, +1 or 2 for being OOP. Make it $20 at a bare minimum.

AP, flop is very dry. Just bet/bet/bet. Pot is $35ish (depending on rake), so bet at least $25.

AP to turn, pot is $75ish and board is still pretty dry. Bet at least $50 and hope he "puts you on AK." Unless you has reads, fold to a c/r as only sets and straights are c/r here from an average V. Assuming a call, pot is $175 with V having $200 left, so assuming a blank river, we prob can't get him to go AI with a hand we beat, leaving behind about $100 in value.

Let's look at what happens with better betsizing though. We raise to $24 pre. Pot is $53ish. We bet $40 and he calls. Pot is now $133ish, and we bet $90 OTT, leaving V with $131 left behind and a 313 dollar pot. We get the rest of his stack on almost all rivers.

Hmmm thought I copy pasted the info before the hand. Sorry about that!

This is a hand from the local casino and my read on this guy is a solid but aggressive villain. Only had been sitting for about 30 minutes but that's what I had gathered. He would bet in spots where he had position and believed he could take down the pot.

The reason I left the spoiler is because I make a questionable play on the turn that I believe could of been smart bit then again could be stupid! Why I was looking for talk about what you would do here on the non scare card on the turn.

Very well put. I feel the way I played this out was wrong and not the way to get max value unless he put me on nothing but a bluff on the turn. The $80 is just what the default was on the hand replayer I was using. Didn't change their stack sizes because they weren't involved in the action.

My thought with my action on the turn was based on this. My read of him taking the opportunity to stab at the pot if he missed the turn completely and I could get whatever he puts in after the raise instead of just a fold. Also thinking if he does check back it could mean one of two things. He has nothing or a big hand hoping I'll stab at it again on the river. By inducing the bet I felt I was getting an extra $25 I might not have got if I just lead out on the turn. Him calling the turn though did put some worry in there but after the river I felt that unless he played a set with that line I was good. So I made the continue of $75 in hopes ot looked like AK from the c/r on the turn.

I assume from your "questionable play" comment that the spoiler says you went for a c/r OTT? Even with him being an aggro player, I don't like that line, if so. If he checks back turn, it's a disaster for extracting value, even though board is pretty safe. If he bets for us, the c/r looks so strong that we may not get much, if any, more out of him than the cost of his bet.

OTOH, if you b/b/b, your range stays really wide and you should be able to get three streets out of AJ, and at least two out of a lot of other hands. Many V's will give you three streets with 88+ against your "obv AK."

Yea. I agree with you. Definitely made the wrong play and yes I did c/r the turn. Thanks for the help!!

Our posts crossed there, but I see you did go for a c/r. AK never c/r here. Plus, youu don't want to be playing to "get an extra $25 out of him." You want to be plaing for his stack. Even if it only works one time out of ten, his remaining stack is exactly ten times $25, so you come out even. If it works one time out of four, you have made a hugemongeous profit over the value of a $25 bet.

Was me just trying to get fancy but laid out I can see how it was very much the wrong play in all aspects. The check raise definitely made me look very strong and I'm surprised he did pay me off.

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