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Is SB exclusively a 3 bet or fold? If so, what do we do in multiway limped pots?

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01-26-2019 , 11:18 AM

sixsevenoff

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I've seen from Doug Polk and a lot of people in my poker circle - a strong advocacy to only 3 bet or fold from the SB. Do you agree? Also a few more questions:

1. If we are only 3 betting or folding, is it true that we should only be 3 betting hands that we plan to c-bet almost every flop with?

2. If we can only 3 bet or fold, do we just fold/raise in multiway limped pots, or are there spots where we can limp along?

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01-26-2019 , 11:46 AM

DaLobstah

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1. You can definitely still have a check range on a lot of flops.

2. You can limp behind with big implied odds hands like suited aces, 78s, and baby pairs. You should generally raise or fold hands that can be dominated like junky broadways.

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01-26-2019 , 11:49 AM

mikko

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

Zero chance Doug Polk is 3bet or fold @1/2 from small blind.

If he did decide to use this strategy then he would gravitate to super tight range and large 3 bets. But I don't see Polk folding or raising 22-77 in multi-way pots.

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01-26-2019 , 12:06 PM

sixsevenoff

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Originally Posted by mikko

So at 1/2, 3 bet or fold is a bad idea? Or is it a general sound strategy, but there are exceptions vs multiway pots?

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01-26-2019 , 12:07 PM

DaLobstah

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Doug Polk does recommend 3b or fold to lab members. But he doesn’t do it himself.

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01-26-2019 , 01:32 PM

m0mmy

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

So at 1/2, 3 bet or fold is a bad idea? Or is it a general sound strategy, but there are exceptions vs multiway pots?

In general this is a good strategy that limits the hands you will play oop. But there are definitely times to over limp. Like with small pairs. Calling raises should be very rare and mainly done exploitatively when you have a good read on your opponents and how they will play post flop. Never open limp.

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01-26-2019 , 01:44 PM

FWWM

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3bet or fold assumes a preflop raise. Limping/overlimping is a different matter. Back on topic, this concept is poorly applicable in a typical LLSNL game where you have a lot of multiway action, typically large preflop raises, and a lot of fish "trapping" with AK/QQ+ . Playing small, medium pairs, suited aces and some suited connectors as a call is not terrible IMO, although you should def be on the look for good3bet spots. And also fold spots, lots or peeps play way too much from the SB just because it is "cheaper".

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01-26-2019 , 04:32 PM

WereBeer

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3b or fold from SB is probably good training wheels for an online game, does not apply to typical low takes live games though.

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01-26-2019 , 04:42 PM

dimeetrees

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Do you guys play junky Kx suited from the sb for a limp?

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01-26-2019 , 05:16 PM

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WereBeer

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I do complete suited Kx with a few players behind but I play 2/3 so the odds are skewed. In 1/2 I'd fold K3ss to 3 or 4 limpers. K9ss I'd call.

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01-27-2019 , 02:01 AM

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jc315

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having flatting ranges in SB in LLSNL is perfectly fine and prob better than a 3bet/fold strategy

flatting the stronger suited broadway/suited aces that i dont wanna 3bet (i.e. KQs, QJs, ATs) and some middle pocket pairs.

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01-27-2019 , 02:39 AM

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Minatorr

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3b/f exclusively is overrated for SB unless you're playing in very difficult games where BB squeezes, there's only 1-2 fish/bad regs on table, etc. That said, you should be flatting a lot less from the SB than most people do and 3b or folding a lot more. There are a lot of good spots to flat but a lot of people flat too wide from the SB, and that's a very very big leak. Playing from SB is very complex and I don't rly feel like typing an essay about it

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01-27-2019 , 03:29 AM

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That said, you should be flatting a lot less from the SB than most people do

This is extremely true.

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01-27-2019 , 04:38 AM

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This is advocated vs BTN/CO and sometimes HJ opens because if you flat SB, the BB has a dream squeeze spot vs two wide ranges. This doesn't really apply live though unless you find yourself with a very competent reg to your direct left and if you find yourself in that position at 1/2 or 2/5, just change seats or tables honestly.

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01-27-2019 , 07:14 PM

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Jarretman

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The 3bet/fold strategy out of the SB comes from the specific spot of facing a BTN open. It's very difficult to balance a flatting range and calling range, and calling isn't super attractive because BB can squeeze. In practice, especially in LLSNL, we don't have to worry about this. Very few pots are folded to the BTN to begin with, and 90%+ of BBs aren't squeezing at the proper frequencies. However, there is often insanely high rake at LLNSL so I'd still end up playing 3bet or fold from the SB facing a BTN open.

tl;dr this doesn't really apply to LLSNL

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