Hero - $1550 - 300ish BB deep and at a great table. Players are getting a little wild at this game, so defiantly been 3betting wider. I did raise fold ($60) pre QQ (probably incorrectly) to a massive 3bet ($275) in a straddled pot once, but I would of lost if I played it as the hands went to show down so that might be a little run good???

Villain - $1700 - He 3bets pretty wide, but I haven't seen him 4bet too wide. last time he did he had AA vs AK and stacked a short stack who only had $400. He did try and isolate with KTo and barrel 2 streets into me but I caught top pair on the flop and just held on. Q4455 - I had Q8

He also made some a bad jam on river that got looked up and ran right into the nuts. He has been running good though, so he is hitting random hands and getting paid.

Fishy player - $1000 - He is stuck - no idea how much - but he is playing way too wide and not folding enough. He also is a station as he called a flop jam with QQ on A85 and guy had an A so he doubled him up. He has a stack of $100 bills in his pocket, and they are defiantly being used for some Gambollllll.

Hero is dealt AK on BTN

3 limps
Villain goes $40
I go $110 on BTN
Villain goes $330 in SB
Folds to me

???????

I call

$715
959
Villain leads $250
Hero???

Fold???

I would think he has QQ+ in this spot - maybe AK as well? I highly doubt he is 4betting wide OOP vs my BTN 3bet as the fishy player took a lot of interest in this hand by making it $40.

Yeah pre is close here. He 4bet pretty big and without reads on his cold 4bet range I'd be tempted to fold pre. If I have a history of 4bet/5 bluffs w/ villain then I'd be more tempted to 5bet pre. Even though it's a very large 4bet (66bb) it's not truly *that much* because of the limps and therefore large raise size and large 3bet size.

All in all I'd probably call pre given info. Flop is close... if you don't think he's cold 4betting wide (probably a good assumption without history) then I don't think folding flop is bad.

I don't think folding pre is that ridiculous tbh

I'm confused. Was there a straddle? You say villain raises from SB, you 3bet on BTN, villain 4 bets in SB?

Did you limp/3bet?

Cold 4b from SB = snap fold pre.

3 limpers before first villain raise (likely the fish.) 3! on button, then second villain 4! from SB.

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Oh they're different villains. Confusing.

Wait, SB cold 4bet?? Just fold... I'd call with AKs for sure, maybe even some other suited hands, but I think AKo has just gotta go into the muck.

Yeah now I'm clear on action I think you should fold against a cold 4 bet from the SB, particularly as he's raising over your cold 3 bet. Looks super strong.

What other kind of 3bet is there?

I’d give him credit this first time and just fold pre.

Ugh...I'm stupid. I've had a fever for three weeks so I'm going with that excuse...

3b is so small that I can't properly comment.

The 3 bettor is an aggro player pre and post. I think we should 5 bet jam all in pre. It seems I'm in the minority with that opinion.

As played fold flop.

*4 bettor but I agree

We really want to jam 300bb deep with AKo? We are risking 1400 for about 500 and doing pretty bad whenever he calls. Unless we know he 4 bet bluffs a LOT I do not like shoving here. Or calling. But shoving is worse.

Yes, if we wanted to continue it would be with a stuff pre.

3bet is too small.

A part of me would be really suspicious bc we may have induced with our small sizing, he has the nut situation to squeeze, and because his sizing is larger. But 999/1000 times they just have it. I know, I've played this out the thousand times. I burn my money for you guys, for science. And still no one listens. Just fold bud.

QQ is much better to flat with, folding QQ and calling AKo is backwards.

Everyone is talking about pre, but what about flop?

Would our decision to fold change if we had Ad or Kd ?

Calling flop to such a small sizing folding is also fine, you don't have any diamond and that should be a factor in your decision. Also consider raising to 550ish and shoving all turns.

cold 4b from sb reps thin range but since ur 3b sizing was so small it opens up that range a little bit

calling pre is the nut low

jam or fold

I think I should of just folded pre, as I highly doubt i'm getting 4bet light. If I was a little deeper, maybe i could make it like $550/fold but I still think folding pre would of been the best play.

Even if an A or K comes on the flop i'm not super thrilled.

Lol at 550/f any amount of deep

Pre: Folding this is beyond preposterous. We are getting almost 3:1, deep enough, we are in position and we have what i assume is the top of our calling range.

Also, this is such a standard steal/resteal spot: fishy/loose player opens, competent player in position iso's, other competent player 4bets to fold out limpers and OR and be HU against a non-nutted range. If he really is competent, then no way this is QQ+ only.

5betting seems pretty bad also imo. Are we trying to get AQ or worse to spazz out or KK/QQ to fold? Either way, good luck with that.

Flop: There's an argument for peeling one off when we are getting close to 4:1, either trying to spike an A, or K or bluffing on a diamond. But with no diamond in our hand this has to be one of the worst flops for us, so folding cant be bad.

i disagree

Good for you

The 'risking 1400 for about 500' looks misleading when youre following that up with "doing pretty bad whenever he calls' . This is insinuating youre counting your equity when called, if that's the case youre not really risking 1400 for 500 then. Its more like risking 700 for 500 (eg. equity is 25%ish when called & already in for 100)....I think youre underestimating just how much even that little but of equity helps in risking less to win when preflop.

Which can bring up a whole nother point of push fold math....If opp is folding much of anything this is probably a push. Aka If I have the slightest indication opp ight fold preflop I'm probably shoving as much as I hate it.

If not, what about 5 betting pre back to 550 and either seeing/playing a flop in pos OR folding to a 6 bet?