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Rivers the straight flush.  Max value??? go... Rivers the straight flush.  Max value??? go...

01-01-2016 , 05:50 AM
Hero - 37 White Male. At this point in session (6 hours), Same table the entire time. I have developed reads on the entire table and have been accumulating chips steadily. In the game for $300 and stack is $500 at this point.


Villain - 25 Asian Male. UTGWell dressed. Playing for 1 hour. bought in for $200. Got stacked when he his flopped 2 pair met a slowplayed KK that hit a set on the river. Just stacked a short stack with AK and now has $300. He says he is not tilting at all but who knows? In the short time, he has been aggressive but I don' know how tight he is.

Villain ($300) raises to $8 UTG
3 callers. (2 of which are $500 effective)
Hero $500) in BB calls with Tc8c. Obv hate being OOP but we have good odds here and some large implied.

Flop Jh Ts 7c ($40)

Hero checks. Checks around

Turn 9c ($40)

Hero bets $20. UTG raises to $70. Folded to Hero. Hero calls.

River Jc ($180)


At this point, we obv have the nuts. Villain has shown extreme strength on the turn. The board pairing could slow him down. I think that because of his actions of the turn that he has the nut straight or maybe had a SD/FD super combo. I think sets and two pair are such a small part of his range because that turn card should slow down a set.

Again being OOP sucks. He has $222 behind. I was thinking that if I ship it all in here, it looks the weakest and will get called down by a larger range......


Hero?
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01-01-2016 , 06:55 AM
turn should be 25+

if we ship the turn, it actually looks super strong, since we lead turn in 4 way pot. so we're only really getting called by 99, flushes. depending on the competence of V, he might be able to fold KQ. checking gives him a chance to bet his air, or try and get you off a chop. but really not matter what we do we're pretty strong. at least when he bets river and we raise, he's more committed.
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01-01-2016 , 10:45 AM
he always has a straight on the turn, and hes probably checking it back otr

id probably just shove
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01-01-2016 , 11:46 AM
I would value bet small, his straight will seldom call a ship here. Your line looks a lot like a flush. In my experience players will call up to a certain amount even though they know they are beat, but most are able to get away if you go for full value ship.

Bet ~75
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01-01-2016 , 12:21 PM
Shipping probably won't get enough calls, given board, stacks and pot size.
Pot is $180. Bet half pot, $90. That's small enough to get called by all straights and raised by all full houses. You bet $90, V can raise to $220, thinking maybe he has FE, or he can make a crying call and you can get some value.
If you ship, he can fold a one card straight on this board, or even KQ.

It's opponent dependent, but, board paired and flush got there, so KQ might fold here, which means shipping is targeting full houses only, and there aren't enough full houses in his range to get paid often enough to make shipping the superior play. Get value from his straights.
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01-01-2016 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wiffle
he always has a straight on the turn, and hes probably checking it back otr

id probably just shove
This: Shove turn with the Flush re draw! Q8 is really unlikely as an UTG open. And his play is always an 8.
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01-01-2016 , 01:03 PM
he has kq a lot
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01-01-2016 , 01:33 PM
Lead $80-90 here. This give boats an opportunity to raise and straights an opportunity to call.

A check or a shove is only targeting a very narrow range - boats

All straights are likely to check behind



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01-01-2016 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by wiffle
he always has a straight on the turn, and hes probably checking it back otr

id probably just shove
This was my thinking at the time. 3 possible straights and he is probably doing this with KQ. I mean this turn should scare sets and 2 pair right?
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01-01-2016 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
I would value bet small, his straight will seldom call a ship here. Your line looks a lot like a flush. In my experience players will call up to a certain amount even though they know they are beat, but most are able to get away if you go for full value ship.

Bet ~75
Valid idea. The flush comes backdoor so I was thinking that a ship might look super bluffy. Plus the board pairs. My line makes no sense with a full house. Considering all of this, I thought a ship would look weaker than value betting.
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01-01-2016 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish
Shipping probably won't get enough calls, given board, stacks and pot size.
Pot is $180. Bet half pot, $90. That's small enough to get called by all straights and raised by all full houses. You bet $90, V can raise to $220, thinking maybe he has FE, or he can make a crying call and you can get some value.
If you ship, he can fold a one card straight on this board, or even KQ.

It's opponent dependent, but, board paired and flush got there, so KQ might fold here, which means shipping is targeting full houses only, and there aren't enough full houses in his range to get paid often enough to make shipping the superior play. Get value from his straights.

I considered this. I thought that the combination of the board pairing and the flush coming backdoor would make him less likely to bet with hands that have now deteriorated in strength. So I think that betting is for sure the best play.


As for size I think $90 or all in is the best options.


I think that if we bet $90, he is not likely going all in over the top. Also, $90 looks so much like a value bet begging to be called. I think it takes the likelyhood of a bluff on my part out of the equation.

As for a All-in open ship, in my mind it screams weakness and includes possible bluffs.

I think both have merits.
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01-01-2016 , 06:45 PM
Ask how much he has then bet 99 and say "give yoo goo price". But seriously, weigh anchor and ship it.

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01-01-2016 , 11:00 PM
$115, he probably folds to a shove. Your hand looks like a FD/set both of which got there.
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01-02-2016 , 05:32 AM
Bet 25 OTT AP half pot to 95 OTR to get called by straight/flush and raised by FH. Gets checked behind too often since his range OTT contains more straights than sets and draws. The only straight OTT that I can see him bet OTR is KcQc
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01-02-2016 , 01:32 PM
Thanks for the replies. I shipped it OTR and he snaps with Tens full of Jacks. I didn't really expect to see it. He checks the flop with a set and then raises the turn when 4 to a straight gets there. It obviously worked out great for me but I think considering his range a value bet of $90 OTR has merit.
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