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09-29-2018 , 04:10 PM
V1 SB $800

Hero HJ $750

Hero has T9h

Hero has been card dead and has shown down either nutted hands, TPTK, or big over pairs in the 3 or 4 hands he has played in the last few hours since he sat down. Villain came 2 hours from another state to play with 2 of his friends, they are drinking and here to have fun. Villain calls big raises way too wide PF, (5x with A4o, a 3 bet to 125 with KJo), has had several bluffs he’s run post flop that he’s shown, but when facing aggression post flop he tends to shut down and fold quite a bit.

Action folds to Hero in HJ, Hero raises to 25 (standard raise). Villain calls, everyone else folds.

Flop: Ad, Kd, 3h.

V Checks, Hero Checks (I had checked back TPTK earlier then Vbet 2 turn and river big, and checked back a flopped nut straight against this Villain...I checked here because I know if he has Ax or Kx he will call a flop bet, so I don’t expect flop folds and want to try and rep a slow played big hand on turn and river)

Turn: 5h

V leads for 50, Hero calls

River Td

V checks, Hero bets 200?

I want to know if this river bluff seems okay or seems bad. I would take this line with AK, QJd, QJh, and sometimes KK, AA, and ATs. I would almost always bet AA and KK on the flop, and definitely raise turn, but I doubt this Villain thinks hands through too much.

Last edited by Garick; 09-29-2018 at 04:42 PM. Reason: removed results
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09-29-2018 , 04:44 PM
Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't post results, as they bias responses. I edited them out and won't comment since I've seen them.
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09-29-2018 , 04:49 PM
Just check back river and hope your hand is good.
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09-29-2018 , 07:09 PM
Betting here may be a little ambitious. It will probably get him to fold his Kx, but this V is never folding Ax. He is going to have more crappy Ax's in his Pf calling range than he does Kx, so I think we are going to get called too many times here for the bluff to be profitable.
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09-29-2018 , 07:18 PM
This would have been the perfect spot to 3-barrel here.

Bet flop. It’s way more +EV than checking T high

Ap i check, you dont rep much
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09-29-2018 , 09:15 PM
Thanks for the replies so far. After people have posted I will post the results. Against a competent V, I would definitely 3-barrel here. I agree checking T high is not +EV, but I felt like given the hands he had seen me show down, checking flop and then bluffing turn and river would be more in line with what I had done with my nutted hands previously. Now, I do feel like if I choose to rep a slowplayed AA, KK, or AK, it would be better to raise turn to 175ish then be able to shove river to apply max pressure.
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09-30-2018 , 01:45 AM
I don't think hero can rep much either. The idea he can have ak here (like op said ) seems borderline ridicoulous

For that reason heros value range here should mostly be kx and ax hands with good kickers, the t does not change much since qj is not likely for either player.

I think checkback is fine unless villain overfolds.
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09-30-2018 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Tarheel234
Thanks for the replies so far. After people have posted I will post the results. Against a competent V, I would definitely 3-barrel here. I agree checking T high is not +EV, but I felt like given the hands he had seen me show down, checking flop and then bluffing turn and river would be more in line with what I had done with my nutted hands previously. Now, I do feel like if I choose to rep a slowplayed AA, KK, or AK, it would be better to raise turn to 175ish then be able to shove river to apply max pressure.
Don't slowplay. You're better off just betting when you have it, checking back strong hands at a high frequency just for the sake of it is missing out on a ton of value. Esp vs live players who don't fold enough, you should seriously just b/b/b when you have it. There are very few scenarios where you should ever check a flopped straight or set. Getting all tricky with good hands leads to a lot of lost EV. Besides, all your bluffs want to be betting this board so why check KK, esp AK when they're so vulnerable? I can understand checking QQ on like Q72r since we lock down the board and there aren't straight draws, but checking AK/AA/KK on AK2dd where you have a ton of bluffs you want to barrel off on is just leaving money on the table.
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09-30-2018 , 09:35 AM
looks like ive gotten enough confirmation that B, B, B is the best strategy here, and also with my value hands. as has been said, getting tricky in a soft live game is often not a great idea and im missing lots of EV with my value hands. Villain folded btw, but i think ibwas definitely results oriented. thanks for the replies
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09-30-2018 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Tarheel234
looks like ive gotten enough confirmation that B, B, B is the best strategy here, and also with my value hands. as has been said, getting tricky in a soft live game is often not a great idea and im missing lots of EV with my value hands. Villain folded btw, but i think ibwas definitely results oriented. thanks for the replies
Villain folded because you had him beat, he missed his draw. I would check here as well as played.
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10-01-2018 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Tarheel234
looks like ive gotten enough confirmation that B, B, B is the best strategy here, and also with my value hands. as has been said, getting tricky in a soft live game is often not a great idea and im missing lots of EV with my value hands. Villain folded btw, but i think ibwas definitely results oriented. thanks for the replies
This is only a good board to barrel when you can get villain to reliably fold Ax to a river shove when the draws blank. This isn't the right villain, image, positions, or stack depth to pull that off.

If you're going to have a turn raising range, this is an okay hand to do it with, but expect to get played back at light, even with your history. Did the other boards that you xbed have two to a flush and two to a straight in two different directions?

Spiking a pair on the river makes it a moot point anyway. Just ... check ... it ... back.

Results don't confirm your play was good at all. He's at least considering a call with literally everything that beats you. His range is a defend against HJ open, BOOP stab at turn range, which is chock full of hands that are auto-mucking because they don't have third pair beat.

Last edited by RaiseAnnounced; 10-01-2018 at 10:13 AM.
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