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08-24-2013 , 12:15 PM
Playing 2/5 at local casino on a Tuesday night.

V1 ($150): Bad regular in his early 20s. First time I play with him but have seen him around a lot lately. He bought in for $300 intially and is now down 1.2k or so after reloading $300 a couple of times. He got coolered twice for his stack, then made a spewy call with a gutter for a stack. This guy is passive with the bottom of his range and aggro with the top of his range. Never seen him bluff so far. He calls a lot of single raises pre-flop.

V2 ($400): Guy in his 30s. Sat at the table an hour ago. He donk bluffed the river with a pot sized bet vs me earlier. Besides that I havent seen him play many other hands. Looks pretty tight aggro.

Hero ($650): Has been playing very tight. Was card dead for almost 2 hours but managed to throw some bluffs pre-flop and post-flop a few times. Won a few pots before showdown and one at showdown. I thank/folded twice on the river vs 2 different opponents who both showed bluffs.

Pre-flop: It's folded to hero in CO who raises to $20, V1 in SB call, V2 in BB calls.

Flop ($60): J64 V1 and 2 checks, hero checks. I did not c-bet as the board was very dry and I not see any worst hands calling me besides 77-TT and Jx given my image. Also I would have to fold my hand if someone decided to raise me.

Turn ($60): 9 V1 bets $35, V2 folds, hero calls.

River ($130): 8 V1 bets $72, keeping $50 or so behind, hero? Dont see many hands bluffing besides a missed gutter, even though I never seen him 2 barrel bluff like that. He could be value betting a set, 2 pair or a better jack. Thoughts? Ty.
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08-24-2013 , 02:17 PM
Hero's hand might help... I c-bet this board for value if we have TPGK.

AP, we have a short/tilty V and a hero who has a history of folding to river bluffs. Never ever folding TP here.
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08-24-2013 , 02:24 PM
I'm betting the flop 100% of the time on this board.

Also, I am sigh calling a check/shove from V1 and check/folding (/shutting down) if V2 raises/calls
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08-24-2013 , 04:31 PM
Oops hero has QJo.

1- Is there a leak in my thinking process on the flop? Its not like we are looking to get 3 barrels with our hand so a check is not that bad under this point of view, but I would agree that we are more likely to get called by worse on the flop if we target 6x, 77-TT and A high. I cant figure out why I thought myself into checking...

2- Is there any circumstances where a check on the flop is appropriate? Maybe if both V's have a high turn aggression when flop checks through or something?
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08-24-2013 , 04:36 PM
Learn how to control the pot with your bet sizing. River is an easy fold. Never turn over the keys vs weak players. Cbet the flop your sizing is key.
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08-24-2013 , 04:40 PM
And he's back. Seriously, ILCD, fold river? V has seen hero fold to river bluffs twice and is short and stuck. You don't think there's a lot of air and 9x type hands in his range?

I c-bet this board always unless I have top set. It balances my air c-bets and gets not much credit as everyone knows about c-bets, so it may be our only chance to get a street of value out of our hand.
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08-24-2013 , 04:41 PM
Half-pot looks good with my whole range doesn't it?

@ Garick: Don't we want 3 streets with top set?
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08-24-2013 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by stackmemaybe
Half-pot looks good with my whole range doesn't it?
yes.
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08-24-2013 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
And he's back. Seriously, ILCD, fold river? V has seen hero fold to river bluffs twice and is short and stuck. You don't think there's a lot of air and 9x type hands in his range?

I c-bet this board always unless I have top set. It balances my air c-bets and gets not much credit as everyone knows about c-bets, so it may be our only chance to get a street of value out of our hand.
Hero is under repped forsure. But at the same time his bet sizing does not look like a bluff. Villain plays his weak range passive so why would he bet 70$ with only 50$ left. I'm not saying I'm right and you are wrong. I just don't like how hero played the hand. Given how he got to the river it should be a fold after 2 streets given that the only hand we beat is J10. Straight draw got there as well. He could show up with 75, yes or no?
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08-24-2013 , 04:54 PM
Given V1's wide range pre-flop I'd say he could have 75 in his range.
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08-24-2013 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by stackmemaybe
Half-pot looks good with my whole range doesn't it?
Pretty much

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@ Garick: Don't we want 3 streets with top set?
Yes, yes we do. But with a dry board crushed like that, we are unlikely to get it. I generally hate slow playing, but if we'd flopped top set on that dry board, I'd go ahead and check flop in the hopes that someone catches up a little and/or becomes an unbeliever because we checked flop.
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08-24-2013 , 04:59 PM
He could have Q10 as well. But we block that combo so I weight more towards 75 then maybe J9/J8 and Q10 after that. I seriously doubt this guy bets 2 streets with A9 or K9 and air.
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