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Old 03-11-2014, 10:26 PM   #1
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River pairs the board, what now?

5-500 Spread Limit at Casino Arizona
Hero has $600. Villain 1 and Villain 2 have me covered.

Hero has AK

Two limpers to hero in middle position. I raise to $30. Villain 1 on the button calls. Villain 2 limp calls, and the other limper calls. 4 ways to the flop with $115 in the pot after rake.

Flop is QJ6

Its checked to me and I check. Button checks it through. I didn't see the need to fire a c-bet when this hits my opponents range pretty well and I'd like to see if I can turn a 10.

Turn is the K completing the rainbow suit. Its checked to me. I bet $60. Villain 1 on the button thinks for a little while and then calls. Villain 2 in early position calls. The last player folds. Both Villains seem like pretty solid players. If they are paying attention then they should see that I have been pretty tight. I haven't had to show down anything questionable in the 2 hours I have been playing. I'm thinking they have at least a pair, maybe a pair with a draw. Also some Aces or 10's are in their range for just a naked draw.

The river is the 6

It's checked to me. Do I go for thin value? Do I check and hope to see showdown cheap?
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Old 03-11-2014, 11:07 PM   #2
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

That is a pretty nice river card for you, I would bet $100 or so.
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Old 03-11-2014, 11:41 PM   #3
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

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That is a pretty nice river card for you, I would bet $100 or so.
why is it nice?

Does your answer change if its heads up instead of against 2 opponents?
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Old 03-12-2014, 12:30 AM   #4
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

It counterfeits a slow-played QJ, is not an A, Q, J, or 9, and makes 66 less likely.

Solid players shouldn't be flat calling your pf raise and turn bet on this board with many 6x hands, and if they did I would expect them to bet out on this river.
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Old 03-12-2014, 12:37 AM   #5
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

I hate the turn sizing,charge all 10,(q,k and J) to draw.Pot is 295 according to my calculations, bet whatever a weaker King would pay, around $120 seems correct to me.
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Old 03-12-2014, 01:52 AM   #6
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

Are you trying to say that guys in your game with call a 30 PFR with 5,6 - then check flop, then check/call a 60 turn bet?
I don't see how 6 is a scare card for you.
if someone flopped and slowplayed 66, Q,6 or J,6... well you goose is cooked regardless of the river.
But otherwise, I agree with others - it actually improves your hand to a better 2-pair.
Only T9 or AT beats you - and the 6 doesn't factor in whether or not you should bet or call.
But here, I bet/fold to a big reraise.
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Old 03-12-2014, 02:07 AM   #7
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

You could actually make a pretty big bet here and get called by worse Ks for a chop - i.e. K10/K9. If anyone had 2p you probably would have heard about it on the turn when you bet (although we don't have descriptions of villains). When they call the turn there are a lot of P+SDs in their range.

Regardless of the size of your bet, it is unlikely that you will ever be overcalled, therefore I like going for more value here. I think you can get away with $180-200 comfortably.
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Old 03-12-2014, 05:03 PM   #8
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

b/f 130
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Old 03-12-2014, 05:14 PM   #9
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

I don't think Kx is looking you up here for $200, as one poster suggested. With the pair and Q on the board, KT is the same as K2 and solid players should be folding these 2nd best hands comfortably to that sizing.

A slightly bigger turn bet is a good idea though. I like $85 or so.
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Old 03-12-2014, 05:20 PM   #10
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^ OP never mentioned he was playing against "solid players."
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Old 03-12-2014, 05:36 PM   #11
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^Re-read the OP. Turn action paragraph.
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Old 03-12-2014, 05:49 PM   #12
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

You have to absolutely bet that river and it would'nt even be thin value. At that level it is regular value as you will get called for at least another $100 (most likely even $150) by Q or K pairs.
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Old 03-12-2014, 06:00 PM   #13
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Re: River pairs the board, what now?

grunch: bet

bet for value. good pot control thus far. bet around pot. if you get raised probably fold unless you have a read that you're getting bluffed.
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