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02-01-2018 , 02:53 PM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by Amanaplan

Agree.

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02-01-2018 , 03:50 PM

#27

Man of Means

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Hand looks good. I don't see a better way to play it, and I'd be thankful villain didn't bet the turn *and* river.

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02-01-2018 , 03:52 PM

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Scooo13zzz

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Originally Posted by Man of Means

Hand looks good. I don't see a better way to play it, and I'd be thankful villain didn't bet the turn *and* river.

such a gross spot if he bets turn and river

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02-01-2018 , 04:42 PM

#29

dmccoy87

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 647

If he got there he got there, but we are usually good. I wouldn't be surprised if V turns up with less than Ax.

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02-01-2018 , 04:42 PM

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Javanewt

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I still think betting turn is a good idea. He's not folding. The caveat is that you still have to call the river when the flush comes in, but that's how you have to play against a "maniac."

I'd also 4bet this guy w/ AQss if I think he's calling light, which OP does think.

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02-02-2018 , 12:02 AM

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br3nt00

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i guess we see differently but dang i disagree with pretty much all of what you're saying Javanewt.

it just sucks results got posted so coming in afterwards to post advice is hard to be taken seriously.

i think op played hand perfectly i would do exactly the same vs a villain like this.

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02-02-2018 , 12:52 AM

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SwolyswoND

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If you're going to label a guy a maniac, you need to give examples of his 3! range. I've read results now, but before that I was questioning how this guy was a maniac since you gave no specifics or HH. If he's a true maniac and 3! ATC, you need to 4! pre AINEC.

If he's not actually a maniac, like eventually it came out that he's 3! only three times in eight hours, then its a close decision on fold vs call pre. Raising as a bluff with the A blocker is interesting against a normal 3! range, but I don't trust drunk guy to hand read well enough to do it. I'd probably call in game this deep (I assume it's 1/3)

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02-02-2018 , 09:56 AM

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Javanewt

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Originally Posted by br3nt00

From OPs description, this guy loves to chase and put money in when the pot gets big. Why wouldn't we try to get more money in? He is never folding the turn, so why not lead? Why on earth would we let him check behind? Heck, he might even raise us. Of course, you have to be willing to go with your hand. If you are playing scared and just hoping your AQ is good, by all means play passively.

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02-02-2018 , 12:46 PM

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Joey913

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Originally Posted by Javanewt

From OPs description, this guy loves to chase and put money in when the pot gets big. Why wouldn't we try to get more money in?

Yes this was my thought too, though I preferred the c/r on the flop to GII on the turn if this guy really did love to chase and put money in the pot.

To the extent that description of V was slightly exaggerated, then I think the line we took was right.

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02-02-2018 , 01:01 PM

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Javanewt

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Yes, I had mentioned check/raising the flop, too, but not as much to chase on the flop and not as big of a pot. I also liked the idea of a 4bet pre since OP said V was never folding, but once I found out his 3bet frequency, that didn't seem like a great idea. Now that we know what he'll 3bet with, I'd pound him in future.

I always try to go with OPs' descriptions because it's all we have, although sometimes they do seem a bit off.

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02-02-2018 , 04:30 PM

#36

flopturntree

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 867

Nice hand well played

What hands does V 3b with?

As played its fine.

I'm more inclined to 4b AQ when its suited OOP but it sounds like vs this V flatting is better. River is a call because he checked back turn and we basically have near top of our range here. I don't see anything we are losing too besides if he backed into club or 6x.

The overbet is concerning but I think i still find a call

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