River options?
09-16-2017
, 01:45 PM
Game: 1/2 in a large poker room
Me: It's been a long time since I've had to post a hand because I've been doing very well with poker for a while now. I'm beating this particular game for 15 BB/hour (not a typo!) over a decent sample size. I have a very serious approach to the game and it shows at the table. I've befriended players in the past and they always tell me that their impression of me was that I was someone they wanted to avoid pots with because I always had a great hand.
V1: My profile of him was that he was a fairly new player. This poker room has a special promotion that involves particular hands like X-high flush in a particular suit. He kept on asking questions about it and didn't really seem to understand. Two players tried explaining it to him and he just wasn't getting it. Finally someone told him, "just turn over any flush you have and the dealer will tell you if you won" and that seemed to fit him just fine.
V2: I call this profile "the born loser" - think of Lester Diamond from the movie Casino. He knows all the cheap golf hustles and also thinks he can play poker
Unfortunately for him (and fortunately for me!) he won a high-hand promotion earlier so he's sitting there with about $1k in front of him.
Effective stacks: $400
V1 in EP raises to $5
V2 in MP flats
Me in BTN with 88 raises to $15, both call
$45 to flop:
99T rainbow
Both check to me and I also check. I like to balance my c-bet ranges so that it's not 100%
and this seems like a fine spot to do it in since I have position.
$45 to turn:
99T8 Badugi
V1 leads out for $25, MP calls and I also call. I slow play this because I want the draws to get there.
$120 to river:
99T8Q
V1 leads out for $150
MP tanks for a little bit but ultimately calls.
I have $360 with action to me and V1 has $210 behind (i.e. we had equal stacks prior to his river lead), V2 covers us both.
What are you doing at this river? Raising? Just call?
Me: It's been a long time since I've had to post a hand because I've been doing very well with poker for a while now. I'm beating this particular game for 15 BB/hour (not a typo!) over a decent sample size. I have a very serious approach to the game and it shows at the table. I've befriended players in the past and they always tell me that their impression of me was that I was someone they wanted to avoid pots with because I always had a great hand.
V1: My profile of him was that he was a fairly new player. This poker room has a special promotion that involves particular hands like X-high flush in a particular suit. He kept on asking questions about it and didn't really seem to understand. Two players tried explaining it to him and he just wasn't getting it. Finally someone told him, "just turn over any flush you have and the dealer will tell you if you won" and that seemed to fit him just fine.
V2: I call this profile "the born loser" - think of Lester Diamond from the movie Casino. He knows all the cheap golf hustles and also thinks he can play poker
Unfortunately for him (and fortunately for me!) he won a high-hand promotion earlier so he's sitting there with about $1k in front of him. Effective stacks: $400
V1 in EP raises to $5
V2 in MP flats
Me in BTN with 88 raises to $15, both call
$45 to flop:
99T rainbow
Both check to me and I also check. I like to balance my c-bet ranges so that it's not 100%
and this seems like a fine spot to do it in since I have position.$45 to turn:
99T8 Badugi
V1 leads out for $25, MP calls and I also call. I slow play this because I want the draws to get there.
$120 to river:
99T8Q
V1 leads out for $150
MP tanks for a little bit but ultimately calls.
I have $360 with action to me and V1 has $210 behind (i.e. we had equal stacks prior to his river lead), V2 covers us both.
What are you doing at this river? Raising? Just call?
09-16-2017
, 02:13 PM
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, 03:34 AM
09-18-2017
, 03:02 PM
Again, still not trying to sway the public opinion, but I am going to start replying to some posts in order to generate more thoughts. Just because I challenge an opinion below, you should not take that to indicate that it's what I actually did in this spot.
It's bottom boat with two players to act. There's a case for not shoving.
Why would you choose to set mine against these two player profiles?
What would you do pre instead? Recall that winning poker begins when you stop telling yourself, "let's see a flop . . .". I've made a career of TAG play, set mining is not quite aggressive enough for winning players.
Why not shove? These player profiles are complete donkeys.
It's bottom boat with two players to act. There's a case for not shoving.
It's bottom boat with two players to act. There's a case for not shoving.
I completely agree that the stakes and player profiles are key here - the players could be that bad. In some 2/5 games I would consider folding as an option. This isn't that game.
Yes, it is indeed very close. I will say that the result of the hand had the entire table talking for about the next 15 minutes since the table was split on what the right decision should have been in that spot.
It's bottom boat with two players to act. There's a case for not shoving.
Why not shove? These player profiles are complete donkeys.
Yes, it is indeed very close. I will say that the result of the hand had the entire table talking for about the next 15 minutes since the table was split on what the right decision should have been in that spot.
