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River flush, paired board, what to do? River flush, paired board, what to do?

12-07-2017 , 04:36 PM
3/5 live NL, 9 handed
This hand happened about 2hrs into the session. Never played with V before. Late 30 male. Only read on him was as a competent rec player who probably fluctuate between lag or tag. One thing about this hand was his wife/gf just walked in few minutes before and right after he looked at his cards he told her to stop talking, saying "he has a hand". Hero's image is tag.

Stacks: Hero 800+, villain about 2000.

PF: V opened $20 LJ, folded to hero, called w/ 75hh. Blinds fold.
(A little bit loose on the call. Don't usually call here, but good IO I thought.)

Flop ($42): Ad6h8c
V bet $50, hero called.

Turn ($142): Ah
V bet $100, hero thought for about 30s then called. Thought about all options here including fold or shove. Decided to just call.

River ($342): Kh
V bet $300. Hero?
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12-07-2017 , 04:57 PM
Fold preflop. 57s is not a good enough hand to call with, even in position. You could arguably 3-bet it vs. some opponents who might fold to a 3-bet but this situation, where he said he has a hand to his wife, likely isn't one of them. This type of hand plays much better multiway and you're not guaranteed to go multiway.
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12-07-2017 , 05:38 PM
Agree i should've folded preflop. 9 out of 10 times I'd fold. This time I got sticky because I thought my hand would be well disguised if I hit and I could stack him. But AP, what's the river decision making process?

I was OTB, btw.
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12-07-2017 , 06:17 PM
I'm not as opposed to pre as others are...this isn't a terrible hand heads up against someone who mostly has overs at ~160 bb deep. The bigger problem is you think V is fairly competent, and that should lessen your calling frequency a bit.

I'm considering raising flop as a way to rep Ax or a set with a draw that is pretty disguised, although the preflop commentary probably was honest and he has a lot of Ax in his range (which slows me down.)

After he bets the second street, though, I'm more cautious than you. I think he has an ace here a lot. I think folding here is pretty bad, because our flush is super disguised and we'll get paid off a lot.

River, you drew the second worst possible heart behind the 8 of hearts. The real challenge I have here is, gosh, what bet 3 streets against you when you played it like you have a substantial piece of this board? probably another ace given his preflop comments. I'm calling since he has something like AQ about as often than he has AK, and we only need to be good 1/3rd of the time.
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12-07-2017 , 06:30 PM
I don't mind the call with 75s being 160bb+ deep. We have over 35:1 implied odds. In LP vs LP configuration, like V being CO and us being BTN, we could even 3bet bluff as a CO open should be pretty wide. LJ with the guy telling his girl that he has a good hand, I think I'd lean towards a call vs 3bet.

The river is a bit close with that K, but there's only $330 left in stacks so jamming wouldn't be a huge error if we expect V to stack off with AJ+/88/66. I'm assuming V had AK or this wouldn't have been posted.

FWIW, I'm folding that flop a lot b/c it's a huge bet so we can expect another large bet on most turns and most turns don't improve our equity.
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12-07-2017 , 06:30 PM
Fold turn, V has all boats in his range and you can't even value bet river for much and still get called by worse when you get there. Can't fold river now that you got there, but you probably aren't going to win either.
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12-07-2017 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
I don't mind the call with 75s being 160bb+ deep. We have over 35:1 implied odds. In LP vs LP configuration, like V being CO and us being BTN, we could even 3bet bluff as a CO open should be pretty wide. LJ with the guy telling his girl that he has a good hand, I think I'd lean towards a call vs 3bet.

The river is a bit close with that K, but there's only $330 left in stacks so jamming wouldn't be a huge error if we expect V to stack off with AJ+/88/66. I'm assuming V had AK or this wouldn't have been posted.

FWIW, I'm folding that flop a lot b/c it's a huge bet so we can expect another large bet on most turns and most turns don't improve our equity.
Call pre and fold to one bet on a great flop for us? We have 8 outs to the effective nuts and deep stacks behind. If he's bombing the turn at a high frequency that's a good thing when we hit.
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12-08-2017 , 09:48 AM
Generally, almost all live players call too much PF but here it's prolly ok, esp. after villain announced he has something.
I agree with folding turn, as played call river, no point in either raising or folding.
But this is exactly what happens if you play the whole hand that passively, call call call, that rarely works out
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12-09-2017 , 05:33 PM
So nobody thinks raising is a good idea here? The board and villains action were too strong?
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12-14-2017 , 07:24 PM
Btw, villain showed black 99. That's why I was wondering if there's any room for thin value raise on river.
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12-14-2017 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Unikpkr
Btw, villain showed black 99. That's why I was wondering if there's any room for thin value raise on river.
What are you hoping to get called by on river? Versus this specific guy, who seems really bad if he shows up with 99 here, he might call it off with AQ/AJ but I still think it's generally too thin vs the average player.
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12-15-2017 , 02:57 AM
Villan leads all 3 streets and you hit gin card on the river , definitely a river call, very tempting to value raise river but considering his basically pot size bet on river I would just flat, if I have very good read on him or have seen villan pot size value bet rivers into dangerous boards that would factor in my decision whether to raise or just flat,
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