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River decision with KK River decision with KK

06-22-2014 , 07:38 PM
$3-$5 blinds 5-500 spread limit at Casino Arizona. Effective stacks $700.

I open raise from early position with two red Kings to $25. Villain 1 calls the raise. He is the fishy one at the table that tends to overplay his hands and will call my value bets. Villian 2 calls from the big blind. Villain 2 is pretty new on the table and I do not have a read on him yet.

$75 to the flop of J84 Villain 1 checks and I bet $50. Villain 2 calls and Villain 1 calls. Both calls were pretty quick without much visible thought.

$225 to Turn which is 7 BB checks. I bet $150. Villain 2 calls quickly and Villain 1 goes into the tank. He painfully folds.

$525 in the pot to the river which is a Jack

Not my favorite card on the river. Do I bet-fold? Check and evaluate?
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06-22-2014 , 07:49 PM
wait, did you confuse the villains? According to pf action you should be in position against him.

Assuming there's a mistake and you are OOP on the river I think your only option is to check/soul read. Tough spot to be sure.
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06-22-2014 , 07:54 PM
I am out of position on river.
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06-22-2014 , 08:07 PM
You should be in position on the river...unless V2 called from the button.
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06-22-2014 , 08:09 PM
I see no hands in a reasonable range that you beat OTR and will call a bet. Check/Eval.
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06-22-2014 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Vee Quiva
I am out of position on river.
So you were in the sb?
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06-22-2014 , 09:30 PM
Sorry for the confusion. The villain left in the hand on the river is
Calling Station.
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06-22-2014 , 11:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vee Quiva
$3-$5 blinds 5-500 spread limit at Casino Arizona. Effective stacks $700.

I open raise from early position with two red Kings to $25. Villain 1 calls the raise. He is the fishy one at the table that tends to overplay his hands and will call my value bets. Villian 2 calls from the big blind. Villain 2 is pretty new on the table and I do not have a read on him yet.

$75 to the flop of J84 Villain 1 checks and I bet $50. Villain 2 calls and Villain 1 calls. Both calls were pretty quick without much visible thought.

$225 to Turn which is 7 BB checks. I bet $150. Villain 2 calls quickly and Villain 1 goes into the tank. He painfully folds.

$525 in the pot to the river which is a Jack

Not my favorite card on the river. Do I bet-fold? Check and evaluate?
9 10 gets there on the turn. My initial thought was to check on the turn.

However, betting the turn is ok, a bet of 110 is fine.

The river sucks and you have to ask yourself what was villain calling with. As played, its more often than not a J or a draw which got there. Against a range of QQ JJ, 1010, 99, 88, 77, 44 J8o-AJo J8s-AJs 910s 910o you have about 20% equity.

Bet folding is burning money, because what do we get value from, probably only QQ. 1010 and 99 are folding. I'm c/folding.
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06-23-2014 , 09:12 AM
I think you can take QJ-AJ out of his range after a quick call on the turn. He'd have to at least think about it before calling. My initial reaction was bet more like 125 on the turn and b/f the river for a similar sized bet. I think the J is actually a good card to b/f because all his 8s will now call. Whereas a 9 or 10 on the river would have me ch/folding. If we check here, it's strictly to give up, which seems pretty weak, and I'm okay with value owning myself occasionally against a calling station.
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06-23-2014 , 09:36 AM
It hurts, but this is a check/fold. All the hands that were giving you value the previous two streets have now got there and sucked out.

If V is a calling station, he'll check behind the hands we beat (and some hands that beat us), and bet only hands that have us crushed.
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06-23-2014 , 10:22 AM
Bread & butter of a winning player at these stakes is the bet/fold! On the turn if he is a station he still has a lot of 8's with a gut shot straight draw in addition to the two pair outs. When the Jack pairs the river, bet and let him put you on AK and call with his pair of eights. This all assumes that he won't bluff you (which most of the players fitting your description won't)
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06-23-2014 , 02:21 PM
Given the fact that V (calling station) had a villain to act after him that called the flop and yet to act when he's calling the turn...I find it hard to believe that 99-TT are in his range here. QQ is the only likely holding in his range that you beat IMO. It would be a far stretch to think he has 8x in his hand, if he does then most likely happy checking it down and maybe 50/50 on calling a value bet on river. Jx, 56, 9T, any boat are all likely holdings given the way the hand played out.

Believe your best option is to be checking this hand down on river. There's a time to bet/fold against calling stations but think in this scenario it's lighting money on fire.
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