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River decision with a boat. Check shove or lead? River decision with a boat. Check shove or lead?

03-01-2018 , 06:09 PM
1/3.

Hero has $275

Main villain is a 40’s woman who has been playing pretty to very loose pre and is on a heater. Rest of villains are passive and pretty nitty.

Two limps, hero limps 77 in the LJ, woman limps the HJ and Bb calls.

Pot: $15.

Flop: T87r.

Checks to hero, I see the woman touching her chips so consider a check raise but decide to just bet $15 myself.

She calls, BB calls and another limper call.

Pot:$71.

Turn 6.

Checks to hero who checks, woman bets $35, BB calls and I call. Feel like I’m going to need to boat up here but maybe she just has two pair.

Pot: $176.

River: 8.

BB checks, hero has $225 behind. Hero? I think this is a lead right?

Letting her check back or set a small price and then fold to a raise kinda sucks. We also definitely don’t have the nuts, is check shoving too thin?
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03-01-2018 , 06:19 PM
No you check riv always and raise always AP. Never ever check flop. Turn you can bet small-call or ckc.
Usually when they touch chips they’re weak but that’s all a bunch of useless nonsense so early in the hand... and you have a set.
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03-01-2018 , 06:34 PM
I'm cool with preflop.

I also just donk out on the flop.

The good news on the turn is that we're getting the immediate odds we need to chase our boat outs. The bad news with all these callers is that it's highly unlikely that all our outs are out there (or are even clean as a T/8 might give someone a bigger boat). It's actually a pretty debatable call even given the odds; might be a fold, imo. Is someone really bluffing or betting two pair here in a 4way pot, even if it is checked to them?

Against passive nitty players (which the other two in the pot are) I probably manage a bet/fold here. No one is raising this river without a fullhouse and we only beat one of those (66). Can't let her check behind. If there wasn't anyone else in the pot I'd probably just shove, but with others I think we might be able to manage a bet/fold of like $75 or whatever.

ETA: For some reason I thought we were 4way to the river. So not exactly getting our immediate odds on the turn, but also less chance of our outs being sucked up with only one other caller. To clarify, on the river I'm probably bet/folding against the nit who is still in the hand, but probably bet/calling it off against the Button (who I'm guessing could overvalue a straight / bottom fullhouse here). And with the nit not betting out (which you'd think he'd do with a fullhouse not to miss value) perhaps even more reason to simply shove (especially if we think we won't be able to fold).

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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 03-01-2018 at 06:41 PM.
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03-01-2018 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I'm cool with preflop.

I also just donk out on the flop.

The good news on the turn is that we're getting the immediate odds we need to chase our boat outs. The bad news with all these callers is that it's highly unlikely that all our outs are out there (or are even clean as a T/8 might give someone a bigger boat). It's actually a pretty debatable call even given the odds; might be a fold, imo. Is someone really bluffing or betting two pair here in a 4way pot, even if it is checked to them?

Against passive nitty players (which the other two in the pot are) I probably manage a bet/fold here. No one is raising this river without a fullhouse and we only beat one of those (66). Can't let her check behind. If there wasn't anyone else in the pot I'd probably just shove, but with others I think we might be able to manage a bet/fold of like $75 or whatever.

ETA: For some reason I thought we were 4way to the river. So not exactly getting our immediate odds on the turn, but also less chance of our outs being sucked up with only one other caller. To clarify, on the river I'm probably bet/folding against the nit who is still in the hand, but probably bet/calling it off against the Button (who I'm guessing could overvalue a straight / bottom fullhouse here). And with the nit not betting out (which you'd think he'd do with a fullhouse not to miss value) perhaps even more reason to simply shove (especially if we think we won't be able to fold).

GcluelessNLnoobG
Regarding the turn call: I thought if someone had T8 they would have bet or raises flop. 86 is a possibility though. T6 in general doesn’t seem super likely even though she was playing loose. I also just got it in with a set against top pair a few hands ago and lost so mathematically I was due for a win. /s

As for the river: would’ve snap folded to the nit shove.

If I bet say $100 and she shoves it’s really gross. I don’t think she has 66 after calling flop but it’s possible. I’m honestly not sure what I would do...I didn’t consider it too much because I just felt like she had a straight but I probably should’ve given it more thought. I think I would need to be good about 1/5 times, it’s probably close.
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03-01-2018 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Amanaplan
No you check riv always and raise always AP. Never ever check flop. Turn you can bet small-call or ckc.
Usually when they touch chips they’re weak but that’s all a bunch of useless nonsense so early in the hand... and you have a set.
Yea, I understand the logic behind check against thinking players because this line by me looks super nutted. I’m not sure if I’m convinced it’s the best line here.

Your right, that’s a pretty reliable read, but I’ve seen her act out of turn a couple times so thought it was more likely to be that than an attempted reverse tell.
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