I just realized GG’s AA thread just happened to me in real life. Here’s the hand.

1/3, SB with AhAd
We’re $300-$550 effective with different players (will provide more details as needed for the hand).

Preflop:
UTG straddle ($6)
Four limps
I raise to $35 from SB with AhAd
Straddle calls and *all four* limpers call (!)

Preflop is weird at this stack depth. I would have preferred bigger to avoid giving too good of implied odds, but usually $50+ is going to get no customers (I was shocked at the result here).

Flop ($210): KsTs5s
We’re first to act with $250-500 effective stacks remaining with the other players. Action?

c/f to anything > 1/2 pot size bet

What's wrong with shoving?

I'm not contesting your answer; I just want your opinion.

Would a 2x pot shove get called by anything we beat?

Well, the goal isn't necessarily to get called by worse hands. You can take down the pot by preventing worse hands from drawing out on you.

So, I did some math, and...

44, 66, 77, 88, 99, and JJ, with a Spade, have >40% equity against you.

If you've got $210 in the pot, and you shove 2x the pot ($420), then they can profitably call.

$420/($210+$420+$420) = $420/1050 = 0.4


Those are all hands that will call you that you can beat.

By that logic you could just raise $200 preflop.

You could; but, that would be dumb.

Normally, when you have a monster hand, pre-flop, you want to extract value from it by building a big pot.

In a passive game I guess I bet kinda small and fold to a raise. In a tougher game I think I check and evaluate but betting small can’t be too bad. I’m not sure what’s correct here so multi-way. We likely usually have the best hand on the flop.

Agree with this

Thanks for the comments.

I decided to bet small intending to fold to a raise. I had only recently moved to this table, but it is relatively passive.

Flop ($210): KsTs5s
I bet $75, folds to CO who calls

Turn ($360): KsTs5s6h. CO has just $260 behind. Action?
Pretty dumb spot IMO. CO seems like a straightforward MAWG. I could imagine him having some K’s, AsX, some made flushes, and perhaps sets. What’s everyone do here?

id just c/f

On the turn as played, given that all the money is going in no matter what, it goes in better if we bet than if we check/call, because the villain isn't going to be bluffing anywhere near enough.

FML what a horrible flop.

Firstly I would have make the Pre-flop raise a bit larger, perhaps $45.

Flop: I am betting a half sized pot size bet, or perhaps a little less in order to fold to a raise for cheap.

Give us more info on villain in order to asses the turn.

As played, I probably shove the turn unless I have a read on V that he is trappy. Check is OK if he won't bluff a non-spade river. I guess vs. a straightforward MAWG, check is OK -- I can go either way.

Pre is fine -- just bad outcome. Flop I probably check/evaluate, but I don't mind the small bet. Gives aggressive players the green light to bluff, though.

I think betting small on the flop isn't good

I mean... you're not gonna fold out the field, and now you should probably call if he ships the turn because if he's ever doing it on a semi-bluff, now you're priced in

And somehow all your chips got in the middle where you're crushed or dead often or sometimes, and against a very live dog with one card to come the few times you're ahead

I still think c/f flop

I think the preflop result sucks (but I have obviously been outvoted by a huge margin in the other thread regarding this) although I'm guessing this was rather unexpected. With $300 - $550 effective stacks, and after a straddle and 4 limps, I'd probably go 10% of my stack and at least $40 (so $40 - $55). If we think straddle might raise I also wouldn't despise a tricky complete.

We haven't had a bunch of responses yet. Sometimes this indicates that people really have no idea what to do and so they don't bother with a response (I know I sometimes fall into this category). The limited responses we do have so far seem a little split on the best course of action. This to me mostly indicates that this is a really tough spot where we might not be as good at sorting out as we think; but maybe the posters who obviously know exactly what to do with 100% clear conviction haven't shown up yet.

I'm probably check/evaluating the flop.

I'm probably shoving the turn.

GbutmostlyI'mjusthatinglifeG

Preflop, flop are fine. I’m playing it the same way up to this point although I’d bet larger on flop possibly. There’s still a lot of hands that we are beating. Since we don’t block the ace of spades we can get any ace of spade hand to call and Kx. So I’d bet somewhere around $150. If we get jammed on we fold. If we get called I’m check folding to fourth spade otherwise putting the rest in.

Thanks for the comments. I thought I would conclude by posting results.

I sigh-shoved the turn and we got called by KTs (not spades obviously) for two pair which held up (and in fact made a boat on the river, but whatever).

I thought it was an interesting hand. Check/folding the flop felt really weak, but it seems like that would have been the only way to get away from getting our stack in here in this case where we're often dead. I thought betting small on the flop seemed like the least-bad option: we're probably not getting away if someone has a flush, so I might as well bet small to try to keep in some hands that we beat (like Kx). But once we get called on the flop I feel pretty easily (but unhappily) committed on the turn. Weird spot.