2/5 game and V is 20’s WG. He had a huge stack when I sat down and then went to lunch (picked up) and rebought for $500 (effective). Quiet guy, thinking reg. Table dynamic is interesting with stumbling drunk guy (at 2pm on Sunday) giving it away. Table is mostly just waiting to pick off drunk guy (I got his first $500 and he’s on his third buy in). Hero is 30’s WG who plays tight and snapped off drunk guy with 1010 on 8 high board.

Drunk guy went to get another beer and table is short handed 5 or 6. I raise in EP to $20 with JJ and get one caller then V 3 bets from BB to $70. I’m the only caller. His range should be a little looser here since we’re short, AQs+ 1010+.

Flop ($160) Qh Jh 7x
V checks and I bet $100. V calls.

Turn ($360) 2x
V checks and I check back.

River 9x ($360)
V checks. Hero?

Allin his eye

Given remaining stack sizes shove looks fine. His range here will be pretty inflexible, either he has TPTK+ or he has a whiffed draw. Just hope he didn't slow play QQ the whole way.

why such a narrow range? that is 4 bet narrow.... 3b from bb can be pretty wide bc he doesn't want to play oop, esp TT. He could be raising sc's here bc they are not dominated and have good implied odds. or.... he's drunk.

i would have bet the turn and river.

You 3 bet from the blinds with 78s? And 4bet 1010, JJ, AQs?

Maybe I’m playing this game wrong.

Would of bet turn
AP shove

I said he could be. You have to defend your raises. you can't just raise and then fold all but the nuts to a 3b.

Which is better against high card range? More high cards or 87s? 87s because you are never dominated and sometimes hit a huge hand that no one sees coming.

River eye.

Why in the **** did you check turn back?

Turn card is the absolute ideal brick card and I cannot imagine checking here.
You need to set up a easy river shove in these spots.

Bet flop small ~$50.
Bet turn FFS.
River in his eye.

My thinking is I absolutely crushed this flop and really wanted to show an ounce of weakness to get him comfortable enough to stack off with AA, KK and AQ and if he has AK I want him to think bluffing the river is a viable option. I also thought the pot/stack sizes were such that I could check back and still get stacks in on the river. And shoving river looks like a bluff.

Results: He checked river and I shoved. He eye balled me and tanks for a minute and said A high probably beats me but mucked.

If he bets flop I’d never check back the turn, but I just felt this hand needed a little more finnesse because he didn’t appear strong at all (and wasn’t).

What am I missing with this thinking?

I guarantee he's comfortable enough to stack off with AA or KK (if an ace doesn't come). Don't worry about getting AK to commit an error. That makes a lot less money than getting value from real hands.

V starts the hand with $500.
After he 3! pre and called your $100 on the flop he’s sitting at $330.
The turn changes absolutely nothing from the flop, so his hand strength remains the exact same to when he called your $100.
All you do by checking turn is allow more scare cards to come that make it even harder for him to call your river bet.
If you bet $150 on the turn and he calls he has $180 left and the pot is $660.
Is he really folding the river for $180 at that point?
You just helped him make the right decision.

What if he had AKhh?
A: he would have called a substantial turn bet.
B: you let him draw at tons of outs for free.

yea all those things

I gather that you like keeping it short wait, so I figured I’d save ya some words.

AKhh?!? V never has that hand. He would c-bet the flop, or c/jam the flop. I don't like either players line in this hand, but V never has AKhh.

Fair enough. I appreciate the advice.

I’d have a hard time believing he wouldn’t bet/ship with AKhh, but it’s definitely possible.

I really wasn’t critically analyzing V’s hand as being AKhh here man.
I was really just illustrating the point.
That being said, I’ve seen these types of lines with such hands.

It’s actually not that offbase that an LSNL could play AKhh this way, but that’s really beside the point I was making here at all.

Made the stone min w your most profitable flop for JJ.

No one is ever folding AA/KK on the turn after checking flop. There is no reason to not at least put out a small bet. Most people also aren't checking AA/KK here.

bet turn, ap shove river