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Old 12-29-2011, 10:11 PM   #151
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I'm not a fan of Harrington's books. Poker is not THAT complex. He talks far too much about each hand and is kinda nitty.

Read Professional No Limit Hold'em by Ed Miller. I think that improved my game far more than Harrington's books or this forum's advice.

Poker is simple, all you need to figure out is estimation of ranges (you'll learn this after a few hundred hours of playing), equity (use pokerstove for this), fold equity (after you calculate range, think about what % of his range he folds), then take the most profitable action.
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Old 12-29-2011, 10:28 PM   #152
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This site offers some really good books. In the upper left corner of the home page check out "2+2 store".

You mentioned your focus is on cash games, and I'll assume NLH because thats the most popular game right now.

In no particular order, but all seems like good books:

1) Dan Harrington -Harrington on Hold em', volumes 1 & 2

2) David Sklansky -Hold em for advanced players

3) Ed Miller -Small stakes hold em

4) David Sklansky -and maybe Tournament Poker, for advanced (expanded edition)
#2 and #3 are books for limit hold'em. They are not no-limit hold'em books. I think those books are fine for players who want to learn limit hold'em, but I'm not sure if the OP knows that.
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:42 AM   #153
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Did anyone read how to read hands @ nlhe by ed miller, i just ordered this book last night.
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Old 12-30-2011, 02:18 AM   #154
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It's a good book if you haven't thought much about reading hands, but beyond that, it isn't an advance book by itself.
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Old 12-30-2011, 11:39 PM   #155
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I think most poker books are wayyy outdated and quite useless. thats just my opinion though. u can learn just as much on this forum. if u want to invest some money into your game, hire a coach.


I have to agree even the newest poker books are outdated in places. A lot to learn from the good ones but you have to consider that some of the advice on how to play particular hands on each street isn't going to work today. What works today will probably be passe six months from now too, might be time to go back to the old way or a totally new approach!

The basics stay much the same though and learning a lot of fancy plays and such without a foundation might make you some quick cash but also lead to the vicious downturns. Every time I start getting scuffed up from "fancy play syndrome" mine or other people's, I drop back to ABC and start over. Works pretty good. ABC can be found in most of the decent books and then table awareness and table image awareness are usually enough to tell when to throw a slider.

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Old 01-01-2012, 06:25 PM   #156
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I have to agree even the newest poker books are outdated in places. A lot to learn from the good ones but you have to consider that some of the advice on how to play particular hands on each street isn't going to work today. What works today will probably be passe six months from now too, might be time to go back to the old way or a totally new approach!

The basics stay much the same though and learning a lot of fancy plays and such without a foundation might make you some quick cash but also lead to the vicious downturns. Every time I start getting scuffed up from "fancy play syndrome" mine or other people's, I drop back to ABC and start over. Works pretty good. ABC can be found in most of the decent books and then table awareness and table image awareness are usually enough to tell when to throw a slider.

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I disagree. Some are just plain bad, like Doyle Brunson's Supersystem. This book is just horrible IMO, and I would strongly suggest not to follow his advice. Also, some are just OK but a bit outdated such as Harrington's cash game books. But Professional No Limit seems to be applicable to today's games.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:43 AM   #157
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:38 PM   #158
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I recently bought the kindle version of dynamic full ring poker. I've read it once and am on my first revisit. I skipped most of the HUD based chapters.

I also purchased the poker blueprint kindle which I don't find nearly as informative but still decent.

I plan to read / purchase some of the others already suggested but plan to read dynamic full ring a few times over so hopefully the info sinks in.

Any other 6max books out there? I usually grind late night to early morning so the last hour or two of my sessions it's not unusual to be 5-6 handed.

I assume the real expensive ebooks aren't really relevant to crushing lssnl given the lack of good regulars. Sound right?

As of right now I subscribe to crushlivepoker and latb both of which I find highly informative.

What I'm wondering is if there are any other multimedia training sites that focus on live play.

What about micro-online training ? Any suggestions as to which site/coach youve found you can implement into your live low stakes strat?
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Old 02-19-2012, 07:20 AM   #159
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Poker is simple, all you need to figure out is estimation of ranges (you'll learn this after a few hundred hours of playing), equity (use pokerstove for this), fold equity (after you calculate range, think about what % of his range he folds), then take the most profitable action.
Well said.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:31 AM   #160
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I'm not a fan of Harrington's books. Poker is not THAT complex. He talks far too much about each hand and is kinda nitty.

Read Professional No Limit Hold'em by Ed Miller. I think that improved my game far more than Harrington's books or this forum's advice.

Poker is simple, all you need to figure out is estimation of ranges (you'll learn this after a few hundred hours of playing), equity (use pokerstove for this), fold equity (after you calculate range, think about what % of his range he folds), then take the most profitable action.
That's like saying basketball is easy. All you have to do is put the ball in the basketball and prevent your opponent from scoring.

I do agree that poker is a simple game to learn. However, it might a lifetime to master. We're nowhere close to playing perfect NL. It's humbling to learn about poker because it's one of those subjects where you feel the more you learn, the less you know.
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:22 PM   #161
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That's like saying basketball is easy. All you have to do is put the ball in the basketball and prevent your opponent from scoring.

I do agree that poker is a simple game to learn. However, it might a lifetime to master. We're nowhere close to playing perfect NL. It's humbling to learn about poker because it's one of those subjects where you feel the more you learn, the less you know.
How does thread die after this post?

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Old 02-26-2012, 10:36 PM   #162
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Any new books come up lately? I am a slow reader and I am looking for something that discusses how to deal with aggression...recommendations?
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Old 04-09-2012, 09:39 PM   #163
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I can't remember the book I am thinking about but read "Blink" by Malcolm Gladwell. It's in line with reading people and their emotions. If you don't feel as though it helps you it will in the very least be a good read. There is a wikipedia summary here.
Body Language (How to read others' thoughts by their gestures) by Allan Pease? It's a popular one on body language.
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Old 06-09-2012, 06:44 PM   #164
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Playing the Player by Ed Miller does an excellent job of characterizing the common playing styles, traits and weaknesses of most llsnl players and gives concrete lines to destroy most player types.

First reading had my mind spinning. Need to read again to retain more of the advice.

Reading Poker Tells by Zachary Elwood is the best tells book/commentary I've ever come across (I've read Caro, Navarro and stuff on this forum). It takes most of what others have covered and builds on it.

While there is some new stuff in this book the biggest difference is the categorizing of tells by poker specific situations (waiting for action, post bet, during action) and how similar physical behavior means something different based on the betting action. Better framework for identifying and acting on tells.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:53 PM   #165
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Has anyone tried crushlivepoker? Bart Hanson does it... I was considering it but I wanted to hear some feedback from the 2p2 community... Anyone know about it?
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:13 AM   #166
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I'm subscribed to the podcasts, they r really good....although the older ones r better, I'm still learning something new every episode...guessing crushlivepoker is as good
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:06 AM   #167
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I'm subscribed to the podcasts, they r really good....although the older ones r better, I'm still learning something new every episode...guessing crushlivepoker is as good
What did you like better about the older ones? The newer ones are more strategy based as opposed to before when he would do interviews and stuff.
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:31 AM   #168
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What did you like better about the older ones? The newer ones are more strategy based as opposed to before when he would do interviews and stuff.
Hey guys,

Thanks for the warm words. I would say that Deuce Plays Premium (subscription podcast) is concentrated on strictly strategy with no fluff. Most of the newer episodes are solo as I delve deeper into concepts that surround the hands I play in ring games in LA.

As far as Crush Live Poker goes you can actually go to crushlivepoker.com and watch a free one hour episode that is posted on the front page. Most of the episodes deal with mid stakes--5-5 and 5-10 live no limit.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:52 PM   #169
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Hey guys,

Thanks for the warm words. I would say that Deuce Plays Premium (subscription podcast) is concentrated on strictly strategy with no fluff. Most of the newer episodes are solo as I delve deeper into concepts that surround the hands I play in ring games in LA.

As far as Crush Live Poker goes you can actually go to crushlivepoker.com and watch a free one hour episode that is posted on the front page. Most of the episodes deal with mid stakes--5-5 and 5-10 live no limit.
It's a brilliant idea bart. Congrats on thinking up the concept before anyone else did. It really gives us an insight on how your typical player thinks about a hand
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:01 PM   #170
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Hey guys,

Thanks for the warm words. I would say that Deuce Plays Premium (subscription podcast) is concentrated on strictly strategy with no fluff. Most of the newer episodes are solo as I delve deeper into concepts that surround the hands I play in ring games in LA.

As far as Crush Live Poker goes you can actually go to crushlivepoker.com and watch a free one hour episode that is posted on the front page. Most of the episodes deal with mid stakes--5-5 and 5-10 live no limit.
I subscribe to both and both have their benefits. CLP has fewer hands it seems but you get much better reads on players and generally better game flow.

DP is good, and, i actually like the nterviews because they give you a second opinion. Both are Deuce fantastic and I highly recommend them along with 2+2 llsnl to ppl trying to bring their game to the next level.
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Old 07-24-2012, 01:24 AM   #171
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Can the podcasts be found anywhere besides iTunes? I hate that program with a super vengeance.
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:42 AM   #172
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Can the podcasts be found anywhere besides iTunes? I hate that program with a super vengeance.
email support@deucescracked.com and ask.

*I am not affiliated with DC at all (probably evident from my advice)

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Old 07-24-2012, 06:10 PM   #173
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NM, I checked again and can DL the older ones as MP3. Must've been a while since I checked.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:13 PM   #174
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Barts podcasts are great
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:17 AM   #175
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Playing the Player by Ed Miller does an excellent job of characterizing the common playing styles, traits and weaknesses of most llsnl players and gives concrete lines to destroy most player types.

First reading had my mind spinning. Need to read again to retain more of the advice. .
Just finished reading this book and I found it very informative as well. Probably the first intermediate/advanced book to address live play specifically. after getting the fundamentals down this is THE book for people focused on live play at the low stakes who want to improve their game.
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