V1, V2, and Maniac have all been at the table since it opened. Maniac is on his third or fourth $1000 buy-in after donating most of it to hero and V1. V2 is a young kid but with solid pro vibes. V1 is a middle aged white guy in town for a wedding.

Hero has $3500, V1 about 3000, and V2 about $1500.

Hero is OTB with KJ

V2 is in the SB, and V1 is the BB. Maniac is a couple seats to my right. Everyone limps in. Maniac has been limp-raising huge with a super wide and I want to see a flop with this hand without paying $150 or $200 so I limp as well.

Flop: ($40) 983

V1 leads out from the SB into the field for $15. This seems strange (esp the sizing), and I feel like he probably has a pretty good hand - two pair, a set of 3's or maybe a combo draw.

V2 calls, another limper calls, and hero calls to see a cheap turn card.

Turn: ($100) 10

Great turn card for my range, not so good for V1 or V2's.

V1 checks, V2 leads out for $30, and I raise to $140.

V1 sigh folds (later said he had 9-8).

V2 calls.

River: 2 ($380)

I make the K-high flush. V2 now leads out for $150. Hero thinks a bit and makes it $400. V2 sits back a little bit in his chair and shoves for about $1000 more without much hesitation.

Does anyone give him credit for the nuts here?

Kinda, yeah. I mean what did V2 call with OTT? And you're blocking a lot of worse flushes - would he do this with QTs, T8s? Bare As in attempt to pull a wizard bluff against a limped range that includes a ton of flushes?

I'd need some huge read or history to call here.

You’re bluff catching

How many river raises are bluffs? Very few. This is a river re-raise.

I can't remember the last time I saw a big $ river re-raise be a bluff, and I don't think he's over-valuing Q high flush here.

I think this is a fold, but I don't think I'm ever good enough to find it.

Raise turn sucks imo. Better for your range? It’s a limped pot, make the nuts and then let’s them pay you. AP raise fold riv.

Yep. And turn raise was fine.

I’m more than willing to make large river bluffs with the nut flush blocker. I don’t think I’ve ever 3! Ripped it in with it though just because people tend not to raise/fold rivers (from Vs standpoint thinking about what OP would be doing). From that standpoint I would give V credit for having it.

In all honesty, I’m not even raising the 2nd nuts here all the time and it’s very villain dependent. Many villains are just going to fold all worse flushes to a raise. Maybe you get a crying call from Qhigh but Ahigh jams and most others fold.

I'm not sure why you think that 10 hits your range and not the blinds who limped in...JQ, 10 9, 10 8, 76, J7 are all limping hands. Heck, even 10-10 through 88 are limps for a lot of players, especially from the blinds.

People talk about ranges a lot these days...but quite often opponents have no idea what the term even means.

As played, I've seen very few people fold the second nuts in a non-tournament situation...you really need a bead on the villain to do it with confidence.

So... I folded. Face-up, which I don't normally do, but I was hoping that it would get him to show since we had a pretty good rapport. He did... and turned over As-8s for the nuts.

Maybe it's not completely correct to say that I have a range advantage with that turn card, so let me break down what I meant a little better.

Let's think about V1's range. He has mostly made hands, except for two possible combo draws (107 and 67) because I have the J. I'm not even sure if he leads into 7 people with a non-nut combo draw here. So let's just say mostly made hands. When he leads out small and then checks that turn card, I don't think it ever improves him. So putting pressure on him seems like a good idea and he's only going to continue with a set.

V2's range is a lot of non-nut straights (I doubt he's calling OTF with QJ, he was too tight) and flush draws. My raise against that range sucks for everything but the nut flush draw. He doesn't know that a spade will kill him (b/c it might not look like I have one) and he's worried that I have QJ or T9 (if he has a worse two pair) AND just about all of those hands don't like a lot of rivers (paired boards, four to a straight, the flush that they don't know I'm drawing to)... it seems like raising the turn here is just a slam-dunk for me.

I think my mistake in the hand was raising the river. He *might* lead with the Q-high or T-high flush, but he's c/c'ing most of the rest of them, all of his straights, sets, and two pairs and probably not calling a value-town-looking river raise with any of them. So what am I getting value from?

Obviously firing on blank rivers when checked to.