Hero has loose aggressive image with 2000 (biggest stack)

No history on reg Villain, but he has been very tag at the table.
I would mark him as dangerous just by his appearance. I don't wanna mess around with him.

Hero limps AsTc from hJ. CO and Btn Limps as well.V raise to 35 from SB

Hero and CO calls. Pot 120

Flop 3h Ts 8h V bets 75 .hero calls .CO fold Pot270
Turn 2s. V bets 180 hero tanks call Pot 660
River 9s Vbets 215 .still have 250ish behind. Hero all in he folds quickly .

I feel like shoving river is so Bad after I think it over. It can only get called by better hands. Like the turn bet was so strong. I am not sure if call with Tptk is +ev against player like him. River Any overpair pot commited already. During the hand, I was really putting him on over pair. I dont know why I shoved. I know repping flush is not convincing at all.

I did end up winning the hand but I feel very bad. Is he just have heart flush draw . I think any over pairs is check call the river. But he bet half of his stack which means he has at least 2pair or better or nothing.

What you guys think ?

You have a LAG image and you open limp AT from the HJ?

Raise pre. Your basically repping T9s or QhJh/QsJs OTR, This would be much better with JT. V's river sizing kinda sucks imo, I guess he could be going for value w/ an overpair, but even that functions best as a jam. I guess vs this sizing your play is probably making money, but I imagine all options raise, call, or fold are really close. If you had the Ah, this is for sure not the right play.

Lags don't open limp from the hj....... Your image is not lag.....
I think you are better just calling this river..... Nothing we beat can call this raise, maybe jj-aa can find folds,but any 2ps and sets will snap call...

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Actually, this is not a bad story from start to finish to rep the flush. It is probably a profitable play versus a thinking opponent who is capable of folding, and who doesn't really know your game.

No offense, but this is a terrible bluff. To be a bluff, we have to get better hands to fold. We have TPTK here, so now we need and overpair or two pair to fold to have a good bluff. We're raising $250 on top of about 1090. V's never folding a hand that beats us here, he's completely committed. What probably happened is that V was bluffing (maybe AhKh-AhJh for a good NFD + 2 overs semi bluff) and continued to barrel on the river knowing that was the only way to win the pot.

Yeah, we just disagree here

Doesn't villain only need to be right like 1 in 7 times for his call to be profitable? Plus we are only trying to fold out an overpair. Seems bad. I probably fold turn. As played fold river

A couple of things:

1. If I did math right, V started the hand with $750 and has put $500 in when we shove. What thinking player is bet/folding after putting 2/3 of his stack in? He's calling $250 to win like $1350.
2. Flush that came in was the back door flush. Not only that, the flush that came in was the top card on the flop, so it's not possible for us to have flopped top pair and backed into the flush. The 9s coming also blocks any of the suited spade flush draws on the flop (i.e. Js9s or 9s7s) which otherwise would make sense. What flushes could a thinking player put us on here? As8s maybe?

Think it's pretty clear here we were bluffing with the best hand.

Shoving the river with the As isn't a bad play, it just isn't a good play with this As in particular.

Don't open limp.

I am with you.

OP, AT has showdown value. It's not a good idea to turn your bluffcatchers into bluffs. You can't think he's got an overpair. Overpairs are a big part of his range, but he could also have AK, AQ which thinks that you re drawing and/or take you out of a random card.

Moreover, it's tough to sell that you re shoving the backdoor flush draw because the vast majority of your range consisted of heart draws; many times people shove this as a bluff, so there's a good chance a strong hand with good odds will not be a believer and will call you.

Again, this is game dependent. In the games I play in, this line will absolutely get enough folds from better. I have had people fold overpairs, 2 pair, and even a set one time that I can recall (guy was getting rivered all night and when I shoved he yelled "rivered again" and threw his cards face up in the muck), but most of the games I read about ITF are a lot different, so I understand folks saying that this line wouldn't work in their games.

Unless V showed better though, I would probably assume H bluffed with the best hand, too. Unlike most people ITF, however, I do not mind bluffing with the best hand. I almost never show down, and that's ok by me.

I do have lag image . I just never raise with AT. I like playing this hand in limp pot. Because limp pot chances being outkicked is less likely.

I'm not saying it's impossible to get people to fold overpairs, it's just that there isn't enough money behind to fold out a made hand. With another $500 behind this would be an interesting spot to put V to a very hard decision.

But you called SB's raise so you're still playing a raised pot, but now you don't have position and have a 3-way pot. If you raise first time it's much more likely you end up heads up.

Unless At is the only hand you limp.....you must have a hj limping range.... Lags don't open limp from the hj....
Don't pretend you have an image that you don't, being lag means loose and AGGRESSIVE, open limping ATfrom the hj then overcalling a raise does not fit that remit.

I aggree with you here. I really put him on overvpair based on the turn bet. I think calling turn is ok . Hoping check check at river. AT has good showdown value . If he bets, I think is fold.

what LAGs are open limping ATo from HJ (or any position)?

uhhh fold pre. tag dangerous player opens to 7x from SB and you call with ATos? lol.

What exactly were you doing? You seem to be going back and forth between a value bet and a bluff. I mean obviously if he calls you're toast. I dont think you're ever getting JJ+ to fold so no reason to bluff, you have showdown value.