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Old 03-13-2014, 03:03 AM   #1
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Re: 1/1 home game AQ hits TPTK and a flush draw

First time I joined the game, didn't know anyone at the table.
Game was 7 handed.
We had been playing for about an hour.

Villain seemed pretty solid so far, he was the guy I was most afraid of at the table. Hadn't really seen him play many hands but he was betting the hands he had a lot.
Noticed him betting rather small one time, but he didn't show.
Also noticed him betting much larger but again he didn't show.

He knew I was playing pretty tight.
He did scold me for playing A2o on the button and then again for not limping A3o OOP from the SB when everyone else had called €2. (I should have called but was afraid BB would raise, kinda stupid I guess.)

I had about €85 in front of me
Villain had about €300 I'm guessing

Hero has AQ

Villain UTG bets €6
UTG + 1 folds
Hero UTG + 2 bets €12 (Villain actually said: "I'm folding kings.")
fold
fold
fold
fold
Villain calls


Flop (€26)
57Q
villain checks
hero bets €15
villain calls

Turn (€56)
T
villain bets €45
hero raises to €58 (all-in)


I raised pre because I was OOP and knew a lot more players would call the €6 but not the €12. Maybe I should have raised more but I just wanted to scare everyone else out and play HU.
Pretty sure we never fold this hand? Calling makes no sense either with only €13 behind, so I just pushed.


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Old 03-13-2014, 03:16 AM   #2
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Re: 1/1 home game AQ hits TPTK and a flush draw

Pretty standard stuff. Raise more pre. Folding A3off from SB is fine.
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Old 03-13-2014, 04:42 AM   #3
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Re: 1/1 home game AQ hits TPTK and a flush draw

Hey,

Altought I don't usually like min3-bet, in this case it could be OK since you don't have a big SPR and a tight image.

Flop: Pretty standard c-bet.

Turn: Very standard also, holding the Ax-spade which is a huge blocker to all his Ax-spade combos, and give you the nut spade draw, it's a no-brainer shove.
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Old 03-13-2014, 05:21 AM   #4
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Re: 1/1 home game AQ hits TPTK and a flush draw

Gosh, I swear this thread already happened.

* Folding A3o in the SB limped around is just fine. As you say, we're oop (to multiple players), an ace spikes there's no way to have any confidence we're not dominated, flush is unlikely...Just a money pit situation. For every time you play and it works, there's a dozen other times where you just check/fold the flop, and you can actually catch a beat hand and really get in trouble. When the captain tells you how to play, appear interested and newly educated, then outplay them. "Ah! Ok, I see now..."
* Pre is fine imo. Note V's speech here. He's calling you tight/passive, verbally ranging you on a big hand. You probably need to open you raising range a bit in general. This could be why you got HU, because the others possibly percieved the same and just got out the way.
* Flop should be higher, like 80%psb (like 20-24ish). You're TPTK is vulnerable to SD's (unlikely given pre action but still there), and FD's (certainly possible...).
* Turn is call, I guess. He could conceivably have air, trying to rep the flush.
* What I remember from the other thread is berating your choice to toss in the extra $13. This is very much a crying call, we're bluff-catching. Throwing in the extra $13 is likely just value-towning yourself. While he certainly won't fold to the $13, he may or may not bother to bet it on the river, so why chip it in? That's $13 less on your re-load if you bust the hand. Putting it in accomplishes little imo. It feels very much like the tournament mentality many fish exhibit, where the stack gets hammered, so they put the rest in in a very -Ev spot, feeling commited to playing it all.
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Old 03-13-2014, 07:55 AM   #5
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Re: 1/1 home game AQ hits TPTK and a flush draw

funny thing is I actually copied the other thread and just replaced QQ by KQ
totally different replies now though

everyone told me to fold when I showed the QQ
now everyone is saying it's an easy call / shove

what I learn from this, no longer posting results, not even in a spoiler! (and not taking advice I get here too serious)
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Old 03-13-2014, 08:23 AM   #6
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Re: 1/1 home game AQ hits TPTK and a flush draw

Pretty standard.
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Old 03-13-2014, 10:39 AM   #7
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Re: 1/1 home game AQ hits TPTK and a flush draw

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funny thing is I actually copied the other thread and just replaced QQ by KQ
totally different replies now though

everyone told me to fold when I showed the QQ
now everyone is saying it's an easy call / shove

what I learn from this, no longer posting results, not even in a spoiler! (and not taking advice I get here too serious)
Of course you'll get result oriented answers if you post the result, what do you expect ???
That's precisely why we use this great magical technique of "not posting the result".
Then people are forced to weight all the possibilities and to argue their choices, that's all the point of posting hands on forums.
What you should learn from this is above all is that if you didn't post the result in the first place you wouldn't have to post it twice to check who's answers are reliable and who's are not.

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