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03-28-2013 , 01:40 PM
200nl Table flow consists of a lot of limping pre. I've played with a few villains who are not in the hand who are super nitty regs. Folding Ak to a ss raise aipf to 40 and flatting KK pre. The others are playing LP for the most part.

Hero (BB) $350- is early 20's. Been at the table for an almost two hours. I've played three hands so far. Two have gone to showdown and I've shown the nuts. The other hand i took down with a c-bet.

Villain 1 (UTG) $200- Late twenties to mid-thirties. Looks like Moby. Two orbits earlier he raised utg with AQo. Im thinking his range is A2ss+, 45ss+, mid pp, all broadways. I Feel like he's definately raising TT+, AQ+

Villain 1 utg- limps
cutoff limps
hijack limps
SB calls
Hero checks in BB 910


Flop: 927

SB Checks
Hero bets $10
Villain 1 utg calls $10
Folds around

Turn: 2

Hero bets $25
Villain 1 utg raises to $55 all day

Here calls $30- After just flatting my $10 flop raise with people behind, I figured he had some sort of flush draw or Maybe JT. So when this harmless 2 comes I feel that I'm definately ahead. Idk this is something that i'd like to re-think through because turn raises in 200nl are usually a strong hand.

River: J Hero c/c $50. No flush came. I have a ten, for a blocker to the straight and was getting close to 3:1 on a call

All thoughts and tips are appreciated. Sorry if the text is un-bearable. This is my first post. Thanks
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03-28-2013 , 01:52 PM
Post format is much better than most. Include pot size on each street next time...makes it easy.

I'm c/c'ing turn as nothing changed. If he's on a draw he might bet here. What are we folding out that beats us? What is still calling that we are ahead of?

Raises on the flop are meh...raises on the turn are more serious and should be cause for pause.
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03-28-2013 , 01:59 PM
I also check preflop. I don't like building big bloated pots OOP with speculative hands.

I'd also bet the flop. Board is drawy so we can get paid off by worse hands. Plus our hand is extremely vulnerable to a zillion overcards.

I also bet the turn. No draws got there and there's still a chance we are good. Pretty easy fold to the raise, imo; this whole hand is a really easy bet/fold. Villain could have easily flopped a monster on the flop and decided to slowplay to let others come in behind. And you've stated the obvious yourself: a turn raise is usually a big hand at this level.

As played, if we're calling the turn then I guess we have to call the river for this price, although one of the draws (T8) just got there.

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03-28-2013 , 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Avaritia
I'm c/c'ing turn as nothing changed. If he's on a draw he might bet here. What are we folding out that beats us? What is still calling that we are ahead of?
I probably check the turn more than anyone here, but I think a bet here is fine (but gotta fold to the raise, and on a drawy board our opponent will always let us know if we are beat). There's still lottsa draws (/w overs) that we can protect against. Plus we're OOP, which will make it harder for us to pot control / bluffcatch just one street. I'd be more for checking if we were in position + a less vulnerable hand.
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03-28-2013 , 04:17 PM
There are a lot of villains that love to limp UTG with monsters hoping someone raises for them...

I can't really see him raising with air. I wish you had more of a description of his competency. In general, a raise like this on turn means you are beat. What's funny is that he should be scared of the big blind on this kinda board, but depending on his level of competency, not sure if he'd know that...

Anyways, we can call the turn raise and then c/f river.

Why the hell would we ever call the turn and then c/f river???

To be honest, I've noticed that at 1/2nl and 2/5nl a majority of our villains don't have it in them to double barrel missed draws when we call their raise on turn. They make their awesome play (be it a c/r or raise) and when it doesn't work, a lot of them will shut down and just surrender on the river. So, we can call turn and c/f river with a high degree of confidence that if they are betting river for value we are almost always beat. IN fact, I don't even think V will value bet A9 or K9 on this river. So I expect most times for V to check back river to us.

So, because the turn raise is a min-ish raise, I go ahead and call and I'd expect majority of the time if V missed his draw on river he'd just surrender and not fire again.
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03-28-2013 , 04:58 PM
not sure what you mean dgiharris? Nobody said c/f. he bet $50 into $140. Call right? I just cant see what he'd flat on the flop with 3 people to act behind. Or do you think a typical 1-2 player flats. I usually see these people raising big to protect their nice hand from the flush draw.
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03-28-2013 , 05:27 PM
what would give me pause is that he wasn't afraid of a double barrel from the big blind in a limped pot. A double barrel from the bb in a limped pot should be 2 pair plus most of the time.

Still I probably can't fold top pair for that smallish turn raise. There's a ton of missed draws after the river so I think calling a bet here is ok getting 3-1. You'll be good enough getting this price to make it +EV.

I'd give him a range of missed draws, 77-88,A9s, AdJd,KdJd. and some discounted under pairs like 44-66.

Last edited by patchohare; 03-28-2013 at 05:31 PM. Reason: added diamond hands
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03-28-2013 , 06:11 PM
The big decision point in the hand here is the turn when he raises you.

On the turn the pot is 30, and you bet 25. Try to get in the habit of betting a bit more of 1/2 pot (18-20)on the turn to fold out draws, especially with such a marginal hand as this. As you work up to higher levels this is more standard. At lower levels people tend to overact as far as protecting their hand.

I fold to turn raise here when we're OOP with this marginal hand-tho is highly dependent on villain. The way hand plays out all we beat is 98 or a bluff, he's not showing up w98 UTG IMO
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