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01-18-2016 , 05:26 PM
Table was a $1/2 game that was converted to $2/5 because the players didn't want to game to break. All losing $1/2 players.

V is a young black guy. Plays a few nights a week, has a ton of gamble in him. Stationy, but will attack weakness. Has a lot of history with hero. Plays a very very wide range, peels a ton. Is ''playing his rush''.

Hero is very TAG. Respected by V. Have had a lot of success double barrelling, occasionally triple barreling V, also some bluff raising his donk bets. Normally just value betting the heck out of him but occasionally like to make some weird checks to induce V/get another street when OOP OTT with an invulnerable hand.

H1
$1.5K eff. w. V 7 handed.

UTG straddles $10, V double straddles $20, 1 fold, hero raises AK to $60 in CO, folds back to V who calls.

(130) Flop: 542

V donks $60, hero raises to $220, V almost folds then makes a ''**** it'' call (I think!).

*Oh snap...I think he has a draw here a lot, maybe 66, 65, A3,43,53. Plan for various turn cards?

($570) Turn: Q

V checks, hero bets $425...

H2

5 handed. 1.5K eff.

V limps UTG, Hero raises TT to $50 in CO, BB calls, V calls.

($150)flop 229

V checks, hero bets $75, BB folds, V calls.

($300) 8

V donks $75, hero thinks, checks his cards and calls.

*Not sure what this donk means actually. Maybe a deuce, maybe nut clubs, maybe a weak hand that picked up a club draw. I am getting 5-1, have showdown value, might be able to rep clubs.

($450) 4

V checks and looks sick, hero bets $300...

Thoughts?
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01-18-2016 , 06:32 PM
Hand 1, we can get him to fold a lot of his weak peels unless he's got something like 65dd/53dd, basically anything that picked up diamonds. Since that's a small part of his range and he's probably got a lot of unsuited connectors in his range, turn bet looks good. Might be a bit big, I think you could make it $350 to set up a bigger river shove/lose less when he binks. Any chance he's got something like K3/J3dd? Is he that wide pre?

Hand 2, I bet bigger OTF, based on his description he's never folding a 9 or clubs. Weird lol live read though, what the hell is he donking the turn with that's not something like A 9x? Is he gonna overvalue 98 OTT? I can't imagine he's donking the A only to check the river when he gets there so we can get him to fold a lot of his baby flushes. $300 looks about right.
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01-18-2016 , 06:41 PM
Hand 2 was straddled.
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01-18-2016 , 06:43 PM
Seems like you bluffing way to much in stationy type live settings. Cut down your bluffing frequencies and watch your win rate go ^^
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01-18-2016 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ebet33
Seems like you bluffing way to much in stationy type live settings. Cut down your bluffing frequencies and watch your win rate go ^^


Yeah, I agree with this one. This guy sounds like a station. You can't win every hand you play.
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01-18-2016 , 11:17 PM
I don't think there's sufficient information to deduce Hero's bluffing frequency. These might be the only two hands he bluffed that week, or he might be bluffing nearly every opportunity.

I like them both. The Qd scares much of V's range and tells a good, consistent story. Definitely expect to see more than 40% folds. Similarly, V is going to have a very hard time calling H2 without a good club or better. And with a good club or better, he might well have bet since you only called the turn donk.

Homework is to determine what do his donk bets mean and how lightly he'll call down big bets on the river. It sounds like you play enough with him that you can figure those out, and they're priceless pieces of information.

Stationy V doesn't mean never bluff. It means pass on marginal bluffing opportunities. I think these are much better than marginal.

Of course, if both of these got called with marginal hands, you should increase his station-o-meter score.
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01-19-2016 , 01:23 AM
I get the feeling you got called in H2. It's a good bluff, if V is capable of finding folds with big hands that look like they've been counterfeited/outdrawn. But you've identified him as stationey, so why try to bluff a station?

H1 is a better bluff than H2.
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01-19-2016 , 02:56 AM
Both are OK. Not entirely sure we need to turn our hand into a bluff in 2, but it's fine.
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01-19-2016 , 05:54 AM
H1 looks ok but I would size the bet otf and the turn bet smaller. H2 i am probably going to make it a bit bigger otf and I think raising the turn is better than calling against this V since he seems like he would bet/call ott with a bunch of worse hands. I don't think I like the river Bluff.
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01-19-2016 , 06:22 AM
Grunch.

Hand 1: I don't understand the first hand. What are you trying to represent? Overpair? the Q probably didn't change nothing, because the only hands you are representing after that bet are KK or AA, or an ill bluff with AQ that got there. And if he has A5 (or 4, 3, 2), he won't believe it, so the only logical hand would be KK, and stretching a little KQ. Small range to represent to a loose-passive, donk-betting young black guy that is getting sick of your dominance... (f**ck it call). I wonder what happened on this one.

Hand 2:I liked the trick to check your cards. He likely has a weak club flush and tries to take it down right there. Of course the river is awesome, but I wonder what you have done if the club doesn't come, as he likely has you beat.
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01-19-2016 , 08:05 AM
I think to 'rate your bluffs' it's important for you to ask yourself what hands you think you're repping, what hands he has in his range here and what hands you think your bets will make him fold. These questions are absolutely essential, and any attempt to rate your bluffs without considering them is pointless. Here's my thoughts:

Hand 1: You don't really rep much. Your raise on the flop pretty much screams "please fold!" and your turn bet is something like 80% pot, so it's screaming fold even more. What do you put V on here? His donk could be a 5, 4 or 3 or overpair.. I think A5 could also donk here from this V. It clearly looks like it's sized for value. If V thinks in terms of absolute value, I think the turn bet could work against 5, 4s or 3s enough to be profitable, as long as they don't turn a FD too. I don't know if he's gonna fold an overpair to the 5, I do think there are virtually 0 Qs in his range
Overall, I think it's decent. I think we fold enough of Vs 1 pair hands to be marginally profitable, I don't think he's ever folding 2p+ though, or 1p + a FD. And obviously if V is thinking on at least the 2nd level, you're not repping much. Even a light flop raise with AQ or KQ would bet the turn for value.
On a side note, I think you should be raising more pre given the double-straddle.

Hand 2: I think this hand is much worse. Your hand-check stunt in the turn reps exactly AcX. I think that's really it. The problem with repping this hand exactly is a four flush will so seldom come in. I think Vs turn lead is often a 2 looking ott to set his price to get to SD/boat up. The problem is that it can also be a value bet with a made flush since you have no 2s in your range and presumably few flushes. Many Vs would also do this with the Ac, although we know in this case that's unlikely given the river check.
So, given on the river that you rep Ac exactly, and V has either a lesser flush or a 2, what hands do we think he's folding to our river bet? I think most players would fold a 2 and most likely this V as well. I don't think he's folding lesser flushes, given his description. I guess my problem with this hand is two fold: I think on the turn we're repping a draw that will only come in 1 in 5 times (and will boat up V a non-zero number of those times) and I'm not sure its a great idea to turn our hand into a bluff otr when we can check behind and see exactly what hand V takes this line with. To me, that information is worth more than trying to turn our hand into a bluff. Thus, I think this bluff is -EV. Glad it worked out for you though.

Really, considering our questionable FE against this villain, I think there's more value in trying to make a hand and go for value than try to run marginal bluffs. My two cents.
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01-19-2016 , 02:17 PM
Grunch

Both are good - probably size H1 a bit smaller though. $350 seems like it'll accomplish the same thing. H2 is precisely the type of hand where we have to gather up the stones to do it, but it's the right play. He has very few single club hands in his range, so he either has no clubs or a baby flush that he made on the turn. And typical LLSNL villains aren't c/c a baby flush like this when the 4th club hits, they may bet the river "to see where they're at" but they don't c/c.
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01-19-2016 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by aftrglw
I think to 'rate your bluffs' it's important for you to ask yourself what hands you think you're repping, what hands he has in his range here and what hands you think your bets will make him fold. These questions are absolutely essential, and any attempt to rate your bluffs without considering them is pointless.
While I generally agree, sometimes we don't have to rep anything if our villain looks/acts like he wants to fold.

I think both hands are played well. Both boards miss most ranges and I would plan to double/triple barrel. I like the raise in hand one because you have two overs, a gutter, and backdoor flush draws. Usually donks mean a weak made hand. You can raise/bet/bet and expect villain to fold a lot of mid pp, 5x, or worse.

In hand two, you should call the turn in position. Bluffing when the four flush comes in and your villain checks is a very profitable bluff. If villain bet the turn with a good flush or an high flush draw, he would bet the river too.
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