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04-04-2017 , 06:25 AM
2/5 NL cash game

Effective stacks of 1000.

I open for 15 utg with Ac, Ks. MP, button, and BB call. (62 in the pot)

Flop is 10c, 5h, 3d. BB and I check, MP bets 50, button and BB fold, I raise to 150, and MP calls. (362)

Turn is 9h. We both check.

River is 9c. Hero? Comments on other streets also welcome.
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04-04-2017 , 08:23 AM
Theres big difference between "raising with 2 overs" and "check raising with 2 overs".

Raising with 2 overs means someone mustve donked into you and raising can be a really good play depending on their bet size.

Check raising with 2 overs pretty much sucks because by definition, you are out of position and if he calls you are screwed. That's what happened here. Once you check the turn you have surrendered. I wouldnt bet the river. Hes not folding any pair.
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04-04-2017 , 08:52 AM
The 3x preflop size + flop check raise reps a set fairly well, but then you checked the turn... Your story doesn't really pan out by the river which is another safe card. Time to give up as played. The donk bettor likely has a decent Tx hand and I can't really see him folding much even if you bomb the river for $325-450. (Even a stubborn 5x might call here.)

I think a better line starts with raising to 20 or 25 preflop. You might get HU or 3-ways and this is a good flop to cbet. You could also double/triple barrel on some run outs which have a J, Q, K, or Ace.

As played, this just looks like random button clicking and a good thinking player will sniff this one out imo, so just check it down and hope the other guy has 46 or A4.
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04-04-2017 , 10:09 AM
I might like this play if you had some backdoor equity. For example, if you had AdKd on this board. Or, with your hand, if the board were Tc5c3d. You want to have good barreling cards when you make this play, and that backdoor equity means that there are a lot more turn cards that you can continue your bluff with.

If you want to make a play at this flop with your hand, why not just cbet? You opened UTG. Assuming I'm not giving up here, I like playing this hand like I would play AA, KK, QQ, or JJ. Check/raising here reps exactly a set and nothing else. And even that is a hand that a lot of players would lead out with.

Finally, I don't like making this play when MP makes a large flop bet (more than three-quarters pot). On this board, without any obvious draws, that strikes me as strength. I would like it more if MP had bet $35 or $40.

As played, I would check/fold river. I don't see any hands that villain would call your flop check/raise with and then fold to a river bet.
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04-04-2017 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Acquittal
I might like this play if you had some backdoor equity. For example, if you had AdKd on this board. Or, with your hand, if the board were Tc5c3d. You want to have good barreling cards when you make this play, and that backdoor equity means that there are a lot more turn cards that you can continue your bluff with.

If you want to make a play at this flop with your hand, why not just cbet? You opened UTG. Assuming I'm not giving up here, I like playing this hand like I would play AA, KK, QQ, or JJ. Check/raising here reps exactly a set and nothing else. And even that is a hand that a lot of players would lead out with.

Finally, I don't like making this play when MP makes a large flop bet (more than three-quarters pot). On this board, without any obvious draws, that strikes me as strength. I would like it more if MP had bet $35 or $40.

As played, I would check/fold river. I don't see any hands that villain would call your flop check/raise with and then fold to a river bet.
I wouldnt go that far. I would check raise here vs an aggro villain with an overpair. I might even go for a double check raise and do it again on the turn.
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04-04-2017 , 10:41 AM
If you're bluff check/raising a flop like this, you've gotta continue on the turn and put villain's stack at risk (only exception would be a high card on flop pairs turn). I'm probably done with hand if I'm called a second time though. You better have a good enough image to do it on that board texture as well. No reads on MP?

Going into river, villain probably has mostly Tx hands, maybe 35, and maybe JJ-QQ if he doesn't like to 3bet pre (also 46). If you want to continue now on river, you've gotta go big. Like maybe 550 or so. But this isn't the kind of thing you can expect to get away with multiple times a session, and obviously don't do this if you have any reason to believe that villain *might* be a station or if you have a very bluffy image. I overbet bluff occasionally, but rarely, and always have a good reason for doing it. You are repping exactly TT, and any decent villain playing a Tx hand will recognize that's exactly 1 combo, and will look you up if they even slightly suspect you're bluffing.

If everything doesn't line up for you to have very high confidence that a big overbet bluff will get through, then just check/fold.

Last edited by pocketzeroes; 04-04-2017 at 10:48 AM.
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04-06-2017 , 03:59 AM
I bet 225, and he called and won with Jh, Js.
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04-06-2017 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sharkem
I bet 225, and he called and won with Jh, Js.
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04-06-2017 , 10:25 AM
Lol seriously just check/fold flop.
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