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01-31-2017 , 01:15 PM
I'm struggling with a bit of a theory question. We all agree that the blinds are the most disadvantageous position on the table to play hands from, but I still want to get value from my top 10% of holdings.

I play in mostly loose passive 1/2NL games where multi-way limped pots are common. When I do decide to raise from the blinds should I be increasing my standard raise size to discourage multi-way action?

In practice this has resulted in me playing some pretty bloated pots OOP w/ a range advantage. Is this the best result we can achieve?
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01-31-2017 , 01:39 PM
For me raising out-of-the-blinds comes down to stack sizes and difficult of opponents. The shorter the stacks (especially if we can get in 10% of our stack with TP type hands were we can't be outplayed postflop due to simply committing) and the more ABC face up non-difficult our opponents are, the more I lean towards a raise (say TT+/AQ+). The deeper the stacks and the more difficult our opponents, the more I lean to tightening up greatly and just seeing a cheap flop (cuz building bloated multiway pots OOP with mediocre hands that are just asking for difficult opponents to steal the pot from us postflop is pretty meh).

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01-31-2017 , 08:01 PM
I do raise my whole range bigger from the blinds (if I would raise 20 from the button, I would raise 30 from the blinds, for example, I do not mean I would raise my button raising range). I raise wider than most from the blinds though, so I don't always have a range advantage.
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01-31-2017 , 08:12 PM
I'm pretty nitty from the blinds, I'll definitely raise JJ+ and typically AK but I think with sticky opposition even JJ and AK and definitely AQ would be a little marginal. I'll never raise AJ in the blinds.

But yeah, definitely size bigger. It's a totally fine result if everyone folds.

I've raised absolute junk from the button though over limpers... A4o, T6... I just really value position.
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01-31-2017 , 08:40 PM
Grunch from title alone: Great way to play multi-way bloated pots out of position!

Post reading the OP: If we have premiums, we should still raise, but we need to make it silly big.
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01-31-2017 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Grunch from title alone: Great way to play multi-way bloated pots out of position!

Post reading the OP: If we have premiums, we should still raise, but we need to make it silly big.
Nonsense.

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01-31-2017 , 08:59 PM
Perhaps I should clarify based on the question. We need to make it silly big if we don't want to play a bloated multi-way pot OOP. If we're deep enough that we're nut-mining and just juicing the pot to be able to play for stacks if we hit, by all means, make it 4X.
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01-31-2017 , 09:13 PM
The only hands I'd consider it with would be lower pocket pairs when the pot is very multi-way and the opposition is straight-forward (i.e. no limp re-raisers.)

I think it's okay as long as we have a clear plan after the flop (often hit set or c/f) because weak overpairs can be difficult.
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02-03-2017 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Perhaps I should clarify based on the question. We need to make it silly big if we don't want to play a bloated multi-way pot OOP. If we're deep enough that we're nut-mining and just juicing the pot to be able to play for stacks if we hit, by all means, make it 4X.
Maybe I'm making it too "silly big." - If I have 2/3 ABC limpers, I make it 4x + 1BB for each V.
If it's 4/5 ABC limpers, I'm making it 4x + 1.5BB for each V. So in a 1/3 game, vs 4 Vs, I'd make it $12 + $18 = $30.

6+ limpers & I'm making it 4x + 2BB
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02-03-2017 , 07:22 AM
Heck, Zune, I'm making it 30-40 in a 1/2 game!

And that's with only 2 limpers. But, lol midwest games.
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