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05-07-2019 , 01:32 PM
1/2 $350 effective

V is pretty aggressive when checked to. He has also been over betting a bunch, sometimes with 3 or more players in the pot.

V raises UTG+2 to $15, one caller,

Hero QQ no club 3! To $60, V call

Pot $135
Flop Ac Jc 3d
V check, Hero check

I checked here looking to induce a bluff from V but after thinking about it this is a bad spot to face a turn bet. Sure V will bluff air on the turn but he also bets all As. Maybe I am better off betting this flop.

Pot $135
Turn 8c
V bet $75, Hero call

Clubs came in but I’m sticking with my plan to call.

Pot $285
River Qd
V bet $125

I am of coarse calling here but I’m wondering if maybe I should shove. V has around $100 left and calls with all worse sets, all 2 pair, and I could even see him bluff catching and calling with a big A.

I have no idea how wide he calls 3! So it is hard to say how many flushes are in his range, but i doubt he calls with worse than K8 or Q9s, and suited connectors
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05-07-2019 , 01:47 PM
I get that you're reasonably deep, but 4x'ing a 7.5x openraise in position seems really excessive.

I'd bet the flop and as played fold this turn.

I don't mind a shove on this river, he hardly has any flushes and can definitely call worse for this price.
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05-07-2019 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
I get that you're reasonably deep, but 4x'ing a 7.5x openraise in position seems really excessive.

I'd bet the flop and as played fold this turn.

I don't mind a shove on this river, he hardly has any flushes and can definitely call worse for this price.
FWIW how much does the raise size matter at 1/2? We see all sorts of crazy open sizes at 1/2.
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05-07-2019 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
I get that you're reasonably deep, but 4x'ing a 7.5x openraise in position seems really excessive.

I'd bet the flop and as played fold this turn.

I don't mind a shove on this river, he hardly has any flushes and can definitely call worse for this price.
Sizing is pretty std.... there’s a cold-caller
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05-07-2019 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Sizing is pretty std.... there’s a cold-caller
+1 to this.

Thread title is incorrect -- you have a very strong hand, not a bluff catcher.

I think you'll get shown exactly KQcc some of the time here, but even aggressive opponents tend to have some standards up front, and there's just so many more combos of AJ/AQ than the one, maybe two (T9cc) combos of flush V can realistically have.

Shove for value seems solid on this river to me.

I think I'd rather bet flop around $65 and shutdown than have to call twice in this spot, but it seems like you considered that and elected to call down to exploit this particular V, and that's probably a fine exploit assuming V is actually aggro.
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05-07-2019 , 02:36 PM
Preflop is fine. V needs to call $45 to see a pot that has about $90 in it, for 2-1 odds. Nothing wrong with that.

So if you shove, V will be getting 5-1 odds. That's great.

V likely doesn't have many flushes....KQ, KT, and any middling suited connector are tough to call a 3-bet OOP. Not enough implied odds to make it work.

You should be the flop. Checking this flop indicates "I have Kings or Queens and I am afraid of the Ace". If V calls, you're done with the hand unless you hit your set.

V is never putting you on a flush, since you 3 bet pre, the Ac is on board, and Hero just flat called the turn. So V could be betting for value with worse hands than Hero. Nothing wrong with shoving. Might as well get V's last $100. Sometime V will have a flush or KT and if so, so be it.
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05-07-2019 , 02:52 PM
I really don't see a lot of reason to bet the flop. You get a small amount of protection. Maybe you make it harder for him to succesfully bluff? IDK. I'm not too worried about a guy running some crazy bluff at the 3 bettor. You can get your one street of value from a jack later.

I would probably prefer to bet with a little more equity. Like, if you had the Q of clubs, there are a fair number of decent turns for you and you'll like that free card. So I'd be more comfortable making a small c-bet.

You can probably let it go on this turn, unless V is extremely spewy. There is no shortage of better hands, which have you crushed, and a lot of bad rivers. If you fold to say, a jack with a club, it's not that big a deal. The fact that he bet again OTR seems to suggest you were in fact beat.

River just depends on V. Dude seems pretty recreational, so you really should have some kind of a read here. Whatever his hand is, he has a lot to process and react to.

If I were V, I'd probably shove this river with a flush. A small turn bet makes some sense, because he's hoping for a stubborn call like the one he got. Once he got that money, he should be going for it and hoping you have a straight, set or 2p rather than hoping for a horrible call.

IDK if he thinks that way obviously. But I think even fairly bad players are going to understand that you can have a lot of big hands and their flush is the nuts. It's a 3! pot so you don't have to be Alfred Einstein to discern this. And if you are calling pre with suited cards, it is to stack big hands.

So, I think this is generally a raise.
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05-07-2019 , 03:30 PM
Shove, AINEC. Yes, sometimes he'll have a flush. But he also has plenty of sets/2-pair that can pay you off.
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05-07-2019 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Sizing is pretty std.... there’s a cold-caller
Yikes, missed that... Forget what I said then.
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