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03-30-2020 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Anyone who struggles to beat "pros who complain" is not a good pro. Game quality only matters if you're not always the best player at any given table imo.

Super sexy winrate doesn't hurt though
says the guy opening J3 from utg and then 4 bet shoving it.
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03-30-2020 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
I open J3hh utg
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Game quality only matters if you're not always the best player at any given table imo.
Does not compute.
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03-30-2020 , 07:40 PM
Slow ponied by using the quote function, dammit.

But to be fair, it was a 5-bet shove so that's... even worse.
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03-30-2020 , 07:41 PM
it was actually a 5-bet shove lol.

meh I like to play the very bottom of my range the same way as the top of my range pre. Still about 80% value combos there pre.

folding J7hh to the 4!. Just happened to have the bottom.

It's 6-max semi-micros. Not abysmal to open wide.

Got lucky though. It goes both ways. Lost 99 to AA on 10-9-4-10 AI turn against whale for 240 BB's (each) soon after at different table to rivered 10. No worries. Part of the game

it's okay to make losing plays sometimes if it's part of a more defined strategy. Imo. Maybe it's just spew tho to have any bluffing range, especially absence of blockers.

I think in that spot it goes fold-fold a lot. At least on igniton. Poker Bros people do have a harder time folding JJ-QQs-AK....

Last edited by RoadtoPro; 03-30-2020 at 07:59 PM.
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03-30-2020 , 07:53 PM
Even live 2/5 I feel like it's typical to see people (especially old men tho) flash QQs, AK to their buddies, chuckle a little bit, and just muck facing a 5! shove thinking their experience always serves them well (5-bettor always has it).

Lots of ppl are nitty on pokerbros too so partials + a more balanced strategy than the typical TAG makes sense to me.

Plus that was the most excited I've been in a while lol. Seeing that river 10 lmao.
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03-30-2020 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
it was actually a 5-bet shove lol.

meh I like to play the very bottom of my range the same way as the top of my range pre. Still about 80% value combos there pre.

folding J7hh to the 4!. Just happened to have the bottom.

It's 6-max semi-micros. Not abysmal to open wide.

Got lucky though. It goes both ways. Lost 99 to AA on 10-9-4-10 AI turn against whale for 240 BB's (each) soon after at different table to rivered 10. No worries. Part of the game

it's okay to make losing plays sometimes if it's part of a more defined strategy. Imo. Maybe it's just spew tho to have any bluffing range, especially absence of blockers.

I think in that spot it goes fold-fold a lot. At least on igniton. Poker Bros people do have a harder time folding JJ-QQs-AK....

You like a 5 bet shove over a cold 4 bet?!?!?!?
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03-30-2020 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
You like a 5 bet shove over a cold 4 bet?!?!?!?
I can guarantee you it's more profitable to have at least 15% bluffs in that spot than be 100% value. Otherwise you'd be super easy to play against.

Just happened to part of that.

wasn't the point. beat was sick

also, the other players at the table including the ones that got felted, gave me way more action afterwards and I reduced my bluffing frequencies across the board accordingly.

I'm not just shoving when I feel like it. Promise. I don't tilt. Even if I had AA there. Just part of the game, what's there to be mad about? Money is all gonna be mine eventually anyways. At least that's what I tell myself. Works for me, even if it isn't true.
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03-30-2020 , 08:04 PM
I'm yet to see a 4bet/fold in 13000 hands on poker bros
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03-30-2020 , 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Beat: 6-max. 140 BB eff w/ villains. I cover table. Been at this table for a while

I open J3hh utg (3 BB). Call. Tagish grinder type (best guess thru phone) 12 BB. Splashy rec type with a fold button vs. aggression (guess) 36 BB.

I shove 140 BB eff~ because splashy rec type could be 4! light thinking that Tagish grinder type was trying to get HU with me IP.
This is just awful.

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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Anyone who struggles to beat "pros who complain" is not a good pro.
I'm not sure what this means but not sure why anyone would want to play with a bunch of miserable pros.

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Game quality only matters if you're not always the best player at any given table imo.
Completely disagree.

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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
it was actually a 5-bet shove lol.

meh I like to play the very bottom of my range the same way as the top of my range pre. Still about 80% value combos there pre.

folding J7hh to the 4!. Just happened to have the bottom.

It's 6-max semi-micros. Not abysmal to open wide.
Bad poker is bad poker.
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03-30-2020 , 08:10 PM
All I know is it'd be super easy to play my ranges against you, DC. You don't see any problem with this?

Or just unwilling to adjust?

Would it be better if I just said the play was terrible lol. It doesn't matter to me either way. I think my reasons are fine. And I'm willing to adjust after a certain sample size and just hand-to-hand as well
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03-30-2020 , 08:13 PM
Complete assclown or troll...which is it?
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03-30-2020 , 08:14 PM
ill go with...

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03-30-2020 , 08:14 PM
shut up squid. anyone who says something you don't agree with is a troll in your eyes.
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03-30-2020 , 08:16 PM
u gotta werk yer troll game better mang. Waaaaay to obvious even for the boyz in teh pen
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03-30-2020 , 08:19 PM
i'm not trolling. just don't care what you, (has been), thinks.

but I'm pretty sure that's all you've been doing to me.
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03-30-2020 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
All I know is it'd be super easy to play my ranges against you, DC. You don't see any problem with this?

Or just unwilling to adjust?

Would it be better if I just said the play was terrible lol. It doesn't matter to me either way. I think my reasons are fine. And I'm willing to adjust after a certain sample size and just hand-to-hand as well

If you’d presented it as a loltastic beat then all the better and I’d have given you the thumbs up.

But to follow it up with a post about some (actually totally wrong) arrogant nonsense about how it doesn’t matter if a game is bad if you’re the best player at the table with the strong inference that you are the best player at the table .... and then to defend the play with jargonny, button clicking nonsense about balance points to the total lack of humility that pervades most of your posting and is the reason (certainly for me) that your posts on here attract so much criticism
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03-30-2020 , 08:22 PM
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If you’d presented it as a loltastic beat then all the better and I’d have given you the thumbs up.

But to follow it up with a post about some (actually totally wrong) arrogant nonsense about how it doesn’t matter if a game is bad if you’re the best player at the table with the strong inference that you are the best player at the table .... and then to defend the play with jargonny, button clicking nonsense about balance points to the total lack of humility that pervades most of your posting and is the reason (certainly for me) that your posts on here attract so much criticism
you thought I was talking about myself? lmfao.

If you go back and read the post with the beat I didn't say anything to defend the play. Just presented it. Wasn't until I got some snarky responses that I fired back buddy.

It's yours (and others) inferences (since that's the word you used) that I'm trolling that biases your initial reaction to everything I say. Don't blame that on me. If Squid had said the same thing you would react differently.

Just saying the things I want to say the way I want to say them. Not gonna change that for other people. I'm not saying anything ridiculous beyond the context of myself and poker.
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03-30-2020 , 08:24 PM
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i'm not trolling. just don't care what you, (has been), thinks.

but I'm pretty sure that's all you've been doing to me.

Atta boy...much better troll attempt. But you need to work on your subtlety a little more. Keep on working - you will get there with some focus and discipline
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03-30-2020 , 08:33 PM
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Atta boy...much better troll attempt. But you need to work on your subtlety a little more. Keep on working - you will get there with some focus and discipline
FW and this **** is totally cool? Basically every post from squid to me. Why don't you consistently attack him for derailing the thread?

At least I'm completely genuine.
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03-30-2020 , 08:39 PM
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you thought I was talking about myself? lmfao.

If you go back and read the post with the beat I didn't say anything to defend the play. Just presented it. Wasn't until I got some snarky responses that I fired back buddy.

It's yours (and others) inferences (since that's the word you used) that I'm trolling that biases your initial reaction to everything I say. Don't blame that on me. If Squid had said the same thing you would react differently.

Just saying the things I want to say the way I want to say them. Not gonna change that for other people. I'm not saying anything ridiculous beyond the context of myself and poker.
I cover table. Been at this table for a while

I open J3hh utg (3 BB). Call. Tagish grinder type (best guess thru phone) 12 BB. Splashy rec type with a fold button vs. aggression (guess) 36 BB.

I shove 140 BB eff~ because splashy rec type could be 4! light thinking that Tagish grinder type was trying to get HU with me IP.



it's just weird how I might think you were talking about yourself

actually, if Squid had posted that hh (he wouldn't because a) he never posts hh and b) he wouldn't play that way because he's good at poker) but if he had and had then posted the next post I WOULD have made a comment about it.

It may have been more sarcastic & humour focused because he's earned that right over 7/8 years we've known each other and because he's not a total dickwad

are you also now saying that you didn't defend the play? because um...you actually did. I can't be ****ed to quote it but scroll up the last 15 posts


either way, you're an arrogant know it all who knows very little and this is going to bring you unstuck in multiple ways moving forward in your life. you will not be successful unless/until you can make significant changes to your mental/psychological make up.

you might not want to believe this and you might well think this is me/others bullying you/being unnecessarily mean to you but it is the truth
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03-30-2020 , 08:41 PM
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FW and this **** is totally cool? Basically every post from squid to me. Why don't you consistently attack him for derailing the thread?

At least I'm completely genuine.

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03-30-2020 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I cover table. Been at this table for a while

I open J3hh utg (3 BB). Call. Tagish grinder type (best guess thru phone) 12 BB. Splashy rec type with a fold button vs. aggression (guess) 36 BB.

I shove 140 BB eff~ because splashy rec type could be 4! light thinking that Tagish grinder type was trying to get HU with me IP.



it's just weird how I might think you were talking about yourself

actually, if Squid had posted that hh (he wouldn't because a) he never posts hh and b) he wouldn't play that way because he's good at poker) but if he had and had then posted the next post I WOULD have made a comment about it.

It may have been more sarcastic & humour focused because he's earned that right over 7/8 years we've known each other and because he's not a total dickwad

are you also now saying that you didn't defend the play? because um...you actually did. I can't be ****ed to quote it but scroll up the last 15 posts


either way, you're an arrogant know it all who knows very little and this is going to bring you unstuck in multiple ways moving forward in your life. you will not be successful unless/until you can make significant changes to your mental/psychological make up.

you might not want to believe this and you might well think this is me/others bullying you/being unnecessarily mean to you but it is the truth
yeah, you don't get it bro. I wasn't talking about myself when I said this: "Game quality only matters if you're not always the best player at any given table imo." Obviously, I was as the hero in the HH.

your inferences are not my problem.

Also re my tonality: you're inferring again. I don't know what I don't know but once again I'm just expressing things the way I feel about them. I'm not as concerned as you are about having everyone think I'm some saint who doesn't have any pride. It's whatever if some of you think I'm an arrogrant prick. Doesn't mean I can't be an amazing poker player. I'm sorry if that disappoints you. I'll be just fine.

Why can't you be open to the idea that people who act differently than you can be just as successful, if not significantly more successful than you?

None of this means that I won't evolve as a person either. realize that we've only been talking for 2 months. Maybe in 8 years you'll want to grab a few beers with me and listen to HHs? Stop being a **** that gets offended because I don't heed your advice. It doesn't mean I respect you any less, not that you care.
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03-30-2020 , 08:49 PM
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03-30-2020 , 09:01 PM
garick, is what squid keeps doing okay? And does it matter who does it?
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03-30-2020 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro

Why can't you be open to the idea that people who act differently than you can be just as successful, if not significantly more successful than you?

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this isn't about me to be honest. I've been more successful than most but it isn't at all about trying to get people to mirror me...far from it.

but the purpose of the business I own...what big companies pay me for.... is to evaluate, identify and recommend from among groups of successful people to find the one who will be most successful. having done this for 15 years after my own corporate career, I have learned a lot from both research, education and experience about what does and doesn't drive success in terms of skills, attributes and mindset.

industries, job functions and situations vary and there's definitely more than one way to climb a mountain but the lack of humility and the inability to listen with an open mind and to evolve your approach and mindset and to then change your strategy and decisions is literally the biggest Achilles heel for high potential people and I'd wager that's true across most/all industries
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