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Yesterday , 08:58 PM
Hero: $300. Recently sat down at the table.

Villain ($145): 40 year old woman. Judging from the way the table is talking, she's probably much worse than the average player. I've a reg and I've never seen her before. Since I sat down, she played two hands from EP and lost to big hands.


The hand.

Villain raises to $17 from UTG.
Hero 3-bets to $50 with AKs on the button
Villain calls.

With $100 in the pot and $95 behind, are you shoving all flops?

The actual flop:

742 with one of my suit.
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Yesterday , 09:09 PM
yes shove.

as an aside, if you were in the big blind the best play is probably to shove pre, if she is really bad she will call wide. heck, maybe shoving the button is correct. the only reason to not shove the button imo is that you still have the sb and bb behind and i think you can fold to a cold 4b all-in.
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Yesterday , 09:10 PM
Yes I'm shoving 100%
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Yesterday , 09:21 PM
Flat call pre. Not jamming flop.

She called your 3B. She probably has an over pair to the board, and isn't going to fold to a jam.

Don't bluff the bad rec-fish.

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Yesterday , 09:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by docvail
Flat call pre. Not jamming flop.

She called your 3B. She probably has an over pair to the board, and isn't going to fold to a jam.

Don't bluff the bad rec-fish.

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its wrong to assume villain has a pair. plenty of 40 yo women have broadway hands here or things like Axs. you can also get her to fold a chop. if you give a free card to a 6 outer, or the turn is a brick, she bets and you fold the best hand, its a huge punt.

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; Yesterday at 09:34 PM.
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Yesterday , 09:29 PM
It's not really a bluff. More of a merge and at these stacks not shoving is silly.

She can even call with worse. I can give you tons of examples from online hands I've played with similar fish where they call with AQ, KQ because they have so little left.
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Today , 08:38 AM
She opened UTG and called a 3B. Jamming this flop with AK seems like a spew.

Our hand has showdown value against worse unpaired over-cards that are going to fold. Our jam is only getting called by better hands, and probably not folding out any over-pairs that were strong enough to call a 3B pre.

Why can't we bet small, to keep her range wide? If we want to deny equity, she might fold out some hands that could catch up, if not on the flop, then when we barrel the turn.

Just seems to me that a small c-bet and turn barrel get more folds than a flop jam, which just looks bluffy. Wouldn't we c-bet small with AA to get value from all worse 1P?

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Today , 11:15 AM
I'll assume 1/3 NL based on sizing?

At these stack sizes, we want to see all 5 cards / can't afford to put in 1/3rd of our stack and not. So I'm fine with preflop and also shove the flop. We're ahead a decent amount of the time and otherwise typical worse case scenario is we give ourselves 2:1 to chase our 3:1 (not horrific for worst case scenario). Also checking to give free card / fold UI on turn having put in 1/3rd of stacks seems meh.

ETA: Also, our read is that she is an unknown that is probably much worse than the average player. There are players in my pool where preflop is actually a trivial fold (for realz), but I think against this described villain we should be ahead a lot on the flop (and even expect calls from worse due to lol remaining $).

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