If you have to post a hand, there's a decent chance that you didn't know what to do with it in that situation.
And if you didn't know what to do with it in whatever (likely common) situation that you run into, you shouldn't have been playing it in the first place.

I must agree with OP in one point.
That is our common advice Fold pre might be correct but unsufficient. Maybe we should add an aproximate call/raise range, an explanation why hand is to weak or something more useful than only Fold pre.

Vs just don't fold, always a showdown, strong range mucho importante.

I'm arguing that Adapting and adjusting can trump hand selection/position in various situations. Yes, against opponents that don't fold... just play a tighter range and relentlessly extract value from them.

What about players that are just looking for an excuse to fold (monsters under the bed types) There are a ton of these types also in LLSNL. Do we need to be as selective vs them?

What about a mark that is spewing. I'd guess we have about a 40 hand window on average to take advantage of them. I think you'd be hurting your potential winrate by waiting for ideal situations vs them.

So you wanna call pre with a wider range just in case a mubsy player also calls, and you might be able to scare him off a board that has overcards? I don't think this sounds plausible. Are you looking for excuses to call pre with ATC? You've got it mixed up. You're hurting your winrate by calling pre with trash, not by waiting for opportunities.

Fold pre.

OP - What's are some examples of a hand that everyone thought should be a fold pre, but you think is playable?

Also, by definition if a hand is marginal pre then reasonable people will differ as to whether to play it. If some people say fold pre and others don't, that just reflects that people will disagree on close decisions.

This guy posts sum purty gud stuff imo

The time is getting close. To keep this open OP, I have the following question.

It should be very easy for you since you think there are too many threads where people do this. Pick a couple of them to discuss. Please provide an analysis of what you would do and show your work where playing it was +EV.

If you can't and/or unwilling, that's fine. I'll shut down this thread.

I kinda suspect we're all saying the same thing ITT.

The situations that OP talks about where opening/calling wider is justified exist and I don't think they generally get "fold pre" responses. They're based on reads though.

3 limpers - all these guys have limp/folded many times in the past and when any of them has seen the flop they've check folded - Hero raises T9o in the CO. No one is going to say "fold pre" or if they do they'll get push back from others.

3 limpers - my first hand at the table - Hero raises T9o from the CO, gets 4 callers and wonders what to do on a AT8 flop. Yeah "fold pre" is gonna come up.

I think if you (or someone) posts a hand and gets a "fold pre" response either they didn't have a read that would allow them to play the hand or they failed to explain that read in the OP.

5. Rake. LLSNL games are raked to death, and often marginal hands playable in time games just aren't profitable. 1-2/1-3 are worse rake traps than 2-5, but all are pretty bad.