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03-19-2017 , 02:56 PM
V ($850 eff) is a reg that plays higher stakes. Can LAG it up, but seems focused more on fat value so far to exploit juicy table. In earlier hand, EP limped, Hero raised AQ, V called on BTN and limper called. Flop KQ8 EP x, H c-bets ~2/3pot, V calls, EP folds. Turn blanks, H checks, V bets a bit over 1/2, H calls. River blanks, H checks, V thinks for a while and checks, H wins, V doesn't show.

Hero only at table for ~45 min. Started nitty, but has been on a run of opening ~5 of the last 7 hands.

Side V, also $850 eff. Loose, semi-aggro. Likes to bluff when shown weakness. Also overvalues crap hands.

H opens 99 to $25 in CO. V $70 on BTN, Side V calls in BB, H completes. I was a bit iffy on the call. Decided to go with it b/c BB sucks and V's range could be wide considering my pf opening frequency past orbit. Would like to hear if anyone folds as I didn't have the most concrete of plans post flop.

Flop $209

985 rainbow

x, H x, V $120, f, H calls

Turn: $449

6

Hx, V $200, H? $660 behind

Would like a critique of the slowplay here. Now, do we let V barrel river, do we c/r turn, call T and donk R? Wasn't really that concerned about a 7 in range, but maybe I should have been?
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03-19-2017 , 03:13 PM
Im ok with how this has been played so far. We are deep enough here to play 99 and essentialy take it to the mine. 99 is good enough to call down certain boards and run outs also so happy with the call....classic check in the dark spot as well if you like that sort of stuff here....
Flop I like the call also, we could raise, but I'm expecting villan to be airing this flop mostly and he folds to our raise, so calling and checking to him again.
Turn is a bad card for us, but I'm not hugely worried about a bare 7.... 67 which had us crushed, and 87 got there only other 7 is likely a7, how much of these is villan 3betting pre? I go ahead and gii now, if he has the straight we have plenty of boat outs anyway, overpairs might call, 2 pairs call for boat outs also.
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03-19-2017 , 03:16 PM
Small raise otf. Jam turn. IMO.

As played, I'd probably jam turn targeting his over pairs or worse sets. Don't want to let those hands check back rivers.
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03-19-2017 , 08:34 PM
Play your hand faster and raise flop. You have a 5/10 V looking to play a big pot with an overpair while you've flopped top set. He's never folding an overpair to a check/raise and he may just spazz shove putting you on a smaller overpair or a pair+ straight draw.

As played, easy turn jam once V has put in over 1/3rd of his stack.
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03-19-2017 , 11:31 PM
As played, shove.

Pre is good. C/C or C/R flop are both fine. Now CRAI.

If V is the type to double barrel, then I like check/shove turn better than C/R flop. If you have opened 5/7 hands, then there is a decent chance that you are getting 3! light. If V has no SDV, then there's a decent chance that he fires a second bullet at the pot. He's gotta continue his "story".
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03-19-2017 , 11:54 PM
C/C flop. I dont think having any check raises on the flop vs a 3better is good here. let them continue there AK/AQ bluffs. hes a pro so hes more likely to go for it

C/C turn. this is a great card for our range vs his. the only 7 he could have is 67s and that just became less likely.. and hes still betting. hes probably over valuing an overpair or on a 0% equity bluff, either way both of those holdings a pro should be folding to a shove here so id rather set the trap.
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03-20-2017 , 01:56 AM
I would tank call this and check the river. If you shove this turn are you getting called by worse? You described him as a competent player. I don't think he's calling​ you here with an overpair, but, given the table dynamic where you opened a lot lately, he does have some 7s in his 3! range. So I'd continue to slow play here because the board is good for him to 3 barrel here hoping you'd have an overpair like TT JJ.

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03-20-2017 , 06:00 AM
Doing anything but check call turn over-reps your hand as a straight and makes it very easy for villain to fold worse, which is the majority of his range. If you check call your range is still quite wide and allows villain to bluff river or even potentially go for thin value with some hands that you have beat.
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03-20-2017 , 06:57 AM
Well played pre flop, no objections from a call here especially with the odds we were given.

I like jamming the turn. Against a competent reg who is used to playing higher stakes he could at least entertain the idea we are using the board to rep a straight and are jamming with semi bluffs which his presumed over pair crushes. Taking down the pot on the turn isn't awful either, since there are plenty of cards which villain checks behind on the river. I also like raising flop to 350 then jamming turn, but this basically screams set.
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03-20-2017 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ronrabbit
classic check in the dark spot as well if you like that sort of stuff here....
I thinks it's a bad idea to check in the dark when Hero is second to act...
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03-20-2017 , 08:30 AM
^ its perfect, might get the bb to have a stab at it aswell, being as we are about to flop top set.....
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03-20-2017 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ronrabbit
^ its perfect, might get the bb to have a stab at it aswell, being as we are about to flop top set.....
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03-20-2017 , 12:49 PM
Raise flop, a lot of turn cards may kill your action. As played you should raise the turn. But, I feel a lot of competent Villians are going to get away from their over pair here. So the bad news is you may only get action from an under set, or 7. And there are more combos of 7x then sets. So raise the flop. As played Jam the turn and grimace when he turns over a seven because you slow played on the flop.
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03-20-2017 , 03:19 PM
I'm not sure why I still waste time in these strat threads.
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03-20-2017 , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
I'm not sure why I still waste time in these strat threads.
For your valued opinion
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03-20-2017 , 04:29 PM
Check call turn, check call river on blanks. Shove river when we fill up
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03-20-2017 , 04:40 PM
Cmon guys. Da hell are most of you guys talking about!?
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03-20-2017 , 05:57 PM
grunch. I would have check/raised the flop. pot is big enough, he's going to have a tough time getting away from an overpair.

as played, I think anything other than check/call is a mistake on the turn. I don't expect him to have many (any?) 7s in his range, so I'm really not concerned about being behind, but I also don't expect him to have many hands that he can call a shove with on a 4-straight board, where you can definitely have sets and straights in your range.

c/c turn, c/c river
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03-20-2017 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiltyjoker
Cmon guys. Da hell are most of you guys talking about!?
Enlighten us.
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03-20-2017 , 11:48 PM
i love the call pre...but you are just set mining given gameflow

wonderflop, bet big on flop, big on turn, big on river. or, you get my point. he should have your range pre holding a ridiculous amount of suited connectors, and suited gappers that open up barreling lines...stack him.
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03-21-2017 , 12:06 AM
I prefer to jam here.

For one, V not putting in any more $$$ with AK- anyway. So jamming now only means he doesn't get to hit his 6 outer otr.

When V has KK+, he's going to talk himself into calling often enough to certainly justify the times where he correctly folds.

H shouldn't have many 7 here, so you can rep T9+ looking for gold equity.
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03-21-2017 , 12:52 AM
Raise the flop next time. Shove the turn before a 7 peels.on the river and you lose to 1010.
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