2/5 - hero recently comes from a broken game to a new table with smallest stack at table (~$650ish) won a couple of hands in about a half hour to move to $940 when the following hand comes up:

UTG (v1) (~$3000 stack, older WG, from what ive observed, pretty straight forward, seems to overvalue TP too much. Can't tell if really good hand reader, or fish on a heater)

UTG +2 (v2) (~$380 stack, young asian, sunglasses, just sat down, no specific reads)

v1opens to $20 (standard raises have been between $20-30, so on small side but not crazy)
v2 3b to $50
Hero has AA - 4b to $125 (bigger? smaller? good?)
v1 smooth calls with little hesistation
v2 more or less snap shoves $380

Is it better to smooth call to try to induce a v1 call/shove, or just reshove here myself?

Either is fine, but I'd shove and hope I look like I'm trying to isolate. If he is a good hand-reader, flatting will look even stronger than shoving.

Calling certainly does seem to imply greater strength.

Try not to think about what different actions imply. Raising all in implies you have a $940 hand. Don’t imply that.

If you are V1 what hands would you call an extra $255 with (40% of eff stacks) that you would not call an extra $815?

I am not V1. Stop thinking like that.

You’re not an older WG with a 3k stack? lol

Pressure the small stack make it $170.... or call; both seem fine.


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From experience, I would say these types of villains might call extra 255 with 77-JJ and sometimes if they fell they are running good, then 87s+. Reason being is that with extra 255 they can see the flop and they can be fairly certain that Hero has QQ+, then they are willing to call these marginal hand since if they flop good, then they know they are getting stacks, since by that point hero us too committed and just can't fold to most flops. But and extra 815 means that they are fully committed and if they don't hit the flop they just lost an extra $560.

I would shove there. With those stack sizes it may end up being a 4 way pot.

In game I'd just ship it and if V1 wants to put another 815 in to come along then of course that's perfectly fine.

Reading a post and thinking about what may be the best way to get as much money in the pot as possible though, I think I'd tank for a second, do whatever you'd normally do when you're legitimately trying to make a tough decision, and then flat. You put in a cold 4! and now you're matching a 5! jam after the original raiser flats your 4!. There's nothing you can do that doesn't look strong.

A flat may or may not look stronger to V1 than a jam, it really just depends on his thought process. Given the size of the raise and the pot though, I think V1 will continue with almost all of his 4! calling range if you flat. If you call then it's a ~$890 pot and it's only $255 more to V1 to call.

Call, don't chase the fishie away.

If i just flat - im GII on any flop. I ended up jamming and v1 tanked and disgustedly folded 99 face up (lol), v2 flipped KK (obv) and we held.

results oriented it worked out as the flop was 9 high, but i think in the future a flat and jam the flop would be much more +ev.

Let's look at the math first. If you flat, the pot is 885. He can win an additional 560 for a total of 1445 with a call 260. He's only getting 5.5:1 at best, so set mining is unprofitable for him. Therefore, we don't need to bet to prevent him from getting odds to play perfectly.

An older WG has been around enough to "know" that a 5 bet is only AA. If you shove, the pot goes to 1445 and he has to call 820. That's not even 2:1. I don't think he can call much other than the other AA.

Therefore, a call is better. If he catches his set, he does. He made the mistake, not you.

I need to study more and do this quicker at the table. jam is $885 pot with 80% equity = $708. a flat is $1140 pot with 65% equity = $741, am i thinking about that math correctly?

shove. going to be impossible to get the rest of his stack in a dry side pot IF he does decide to call. which if hes going to call he will probably call a jam too.

$1140 in the middle, $560 effective for the side. I dunno, call me crazy, but I think our chances are better than impossible against a guy who is quickly calling 4bets pre. If we do our subtle hollywood properly, he may just jam over us pre.

So, you flat & Mr. Oldie calls with JT & you have the A
Pot is $1140 & you have $270 left.

Flop: 976 & Mr. Oldie is gettin' the right price. Try other favorable flops for Mr. Oldie & he is gettin' the right price.

Now with Flop: K74 Mr. Oldie has 9% equity, folds & saves himself $270.

Mr. Oldie is going to have to pay pre to play against me. JTs, KQs, QJs are hands Mr. Oldie is going to find pretty enough to tag along with since he's runnin' hot & putting in 'won' money.

Now if he's the type to call OTF with 10% equity most of the time, that's another story.

940-380=560

Well shytt....was going based on $650.....reading comprehension difficulties.

come on over to the chat thread, you'll fit right in

This is what happens alot of the time. Its really stunning.

Here I am thinking that me flatting a 8bet looks ******edly strong, then I get snap jammed over by JJ.

But when you shove in these spots you get sigh folds from QQ.

As for post and dry side pots. You can literally bet $100. Its called no limit.