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A questionable c bet becomes a triple barrel bluff vs sticky reg A questionable c bet becomes a triple barrel bluff vs sticky reg

03-07-2019 , 03:01 PM
$1/2 400 Eff

"Luigi'' plays a wide range. Is on the LP side but does like to stab at limped pots from the button, will bluff if you show weakness. Can make reasonable folds Ex. he donk out w. KX into field on KXXdd, got 3x'd by Pf raiser and he folds. He makes very very loose flop calls. Can be sticky but seems to fold against hero.

HERO should be perceived as a winning TAG.


Luigi limps UTG+2, hero $12 MP KQ, younggun calls SB, Luigi calls.

($36) Flop: 962

Younggun folds out of turn, Luigi checks, hero bets $20, Luigi taaaank calls.

*Louigi is on a weak draw???

($75) Turn: 3

Luigi checks hero $50, Luigi calls

($175) River: 9

Luigi checks, Hero bets 3 green chips...
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03-07-2019 , 03:04 PM
This is spew after the flop imo.
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03-07-2019 , 03:15 PM
I like to bluff, but not against sticky players when the flush and paired board hit.

What do you think his weak draw is? Hearts is about it.

If he folded, that's great, but so player-dependent we can't really give advice. Vs. most players, I don't like it.
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03-07-2019 , 03:19 PM
cbet isn't that bad with no sdv, equity vs pairs and SB having a lot of A high hands. Turn should check and try to get there OTR. You can bluff some cards OTR if you're so inclined.
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03-07-2019 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
I like to bluff, but not against sticky players when the flush and paired board hit.

What do you think his weak draw is? Hearts is about it.

If he folded, that's great, but so player-dependent we can't really give advice. Vs. most players, I don't like it.

OTF I think the tank means he is really weak. Like : 75,45,2X,AX, maybe 6X (I think he calls faster with this hand certainly with A6X)

OTT he called pretty fast so his hand most likely improved. AX was the first thing that came to mind, and I was thinking A9x, A6x seem unlikely given the flop tank.

OTR This is not a great card, but I have K high, so I need to bluff if I want a chance to win this pot. A missed. I can credibly rep the flush. This guy is not thinking too deeply, but he has seen me make thin thin value bets (some terrible ones haha) so in his mind I could be monkey betting an overpair again. Maybe I have a nine. Initiaially I was going to bet $60 to give myself nice odds, but then threw in 3 greens thinking maybe he folds 6x.
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03-07-2019 , 03:33 PM
Super questionable line. If the board had paired the lower cards I could see a bet OTR.

You're repping like flushes and a set of 6's/quads here only.

Overpairs except exactly AA/KK with hearts probably checks that turn.

A pair of nines like A9 j9 q9 would check that turn unless it was exactly a9 with ace of hearts.

An overpair would def check river



What goes for three streets here? I'd call you down very light but that's just me.
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03-07-2019 , 04:59 PM
The river bet is really bad.
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03-07-2019 , 05:08 PM
I don't hate it. Maybe a bit more otr though. Probably has a larger folding range otr than most if he's sticky.
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03-07-2019 , 05:30 PM
Flop: I don't like the c-bet. He'll think it missed you. It was more likely to hit him, and he doesn't like to fold when things are small.

Turn: If you bluffed the flop, then you have to follow up on the turn. You got a scare card assuming it didn't hit him. He comes into the turn wide since his flop calling tendencies are loose. I think you get a fold on the turn much of the time. Still, I wouldn't do all of this this often. Find an easier guy to bluff and try to value town this particular V.

River: Horrible. He has a flush, set, quads, or boat. You don't get sticky V off these enough not to be burning money. You don't even have the leverage of another bet to come. Don't be results oriented if you got lucky this time.
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03-08-2019 , 10:11 PM
This bluff is fine at low frequency,I prefer to overbet or at least pot turn,whatever he called OTT he will call OTR(except 78,which you beat).
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03-08-2019 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by $FishWreck$
Flop: I don't like the c-bet. He'll think it missed you. It was more likely to hit him, and he doesn't like to fold when things are small.

Turn: If you bluffed the flop, then you have to follow up on the turn. You got a scare card assuming it didn't hit him. He comes into the turn wide since his flop calling tendencies are loose. I think you get a fold on the turn much of the time. Still, I wouldn't do all of this this often. Find an easier guy to bluff and try to value town this particular V.

River: Horrible. He has a flush, set, quads, or boat. You don't get sticky V off these enough not to be burning money. You don't even have the leverage of another bet to come. Don't be results oriented if you got lucky this time.
+1
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03-09-2019 , 02:45 AM
given other dude folded out of turn, flop is a pretty "std" c-bet. put quotes around that since it might not be 100% gto to bet here 100% of the time but it's definitely much much higher EV than check for a multitude of reasons and i dont think that's debatable at all

1) plays a wide range
2) donks when weakness is shown
3) we can't call barrels if we x and turns/rivers are blanks

Assumption that's most likely valid (4): he doesnt bluff raise flop near enough. ie if we cbet flop we OVERrealize our equity while he underrealizes his

5) given a wide range, he can't defend too much of his range otf and folds a reasonable amount to a cbet

and we are checking flop???

I think too many regs way overcbet and my cbet freq is probably more on the lower end but this is a pretty clear cbet spot to me

turn seems like a x, not sure what you're expecting him to fold. his flop calling range is mostly pairs and FDs, so your turn bet is major spew

river is terrible to bluff, flopped TP is snap calling, any flush is calling, and even random pairs might hero putting you on busted Ah, and apparently you can have naked Kh here as well so...

i really dont know what you're expecting him to fold ott and otr at any reasonable frequency to make the bluff +EV, just seems like a bunch of btn clicking cuz "oh blockerz and he x"
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03-10-2019 , 12:52 AM
i think river needed to be at least 100 and then it was good IMO

too many sigh calls for 75 that a station could make

he weak tanks the flop so he never has a FD or a 9 IMO, so at this point hes probably capped out at around 8h8x
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