Hello all. I played this hand a few days ago. Honestly don't know if I played it good or bad. I will stop the action at the turn, where I think my course of action is most important.


After discussion of the turn decision, perhaps I will post the turn and river (as played).


1/2 NLHE 50-300 or max stack.

V- ($330) I have played with him before, he seems to be tight, and he is a thinking player. He is a gentleman, good sport, and I see him at the casino somewhat frequently. I don't really know for sure if he's a winning player, probably.


Other Vs, can't remember. Not really relevant as you'll see.


Hero- ($480) must be seen as a tight TAG. I think I do have somewhat of an unpredictable image. I will 3b light, squeeze, etc, if the opportunity presents itself. Once in a while, not often. Opening range is tight and ABCish, but I don't know how aware V is of this, many of my hands have not gone to SD. I get the feeling when I win pots with no SD, most table mates always suspect you are a maniac bluffer. They will even ask for me to show sometimes, but I hardly ever do.



PF:

Hero is UTG+1. Action folds to H. Looks down at As-Qs. Opens to $12. 2 callers.


Flop Qc-9s-9c ($36)

Hero leads for $30. MP folds, LP V calls.


Stop right here, my thoughts are:

There are potentially loads of combos here that I am ahead of, J-T, clubs, Qx, possibly even floats with gutters/PPs. So I feel ok ATM regarding the hand.


Turn 6s. Board reads Qc-9s-9c-6s ($96)



So obv. we pick up a BDFD. What should hero do here? Range is foggy and not clear (the wonders of being OOP).


I feel like a bet here could be OK, and I also think most 9x hands would raise if I bet? Being OOP really sucks.

H?

First, it's not really a PAHWM. As for the turn, I would still bet. There are a lot of hands you beat that you can get value from, taking the hand down there isn't a bad result, and you build the pot for when you spike a spade. I'd probably set the price smallish, 45 or so. I think checking is inviting a bet from almost all of V's range, and it'll likely be bigger.

Sorry about the erroneous "PAHWM".


I'll see if I can change it.

Title changed. #GreenPower

Thank you! I am still learning how to use this forum properly.

So, since there is no discussion, I will proceed with the hand as played.


Turn 6s. Board Qc-9s-9c-6s ($96)


I decided to lead for $50, and V calls, not quickly, but not slow either. About 3-5 seconds.


River 10d. Board Qc-9s-9c-6s-10d ($196)



So my thoughts at this point are:


I should probably check, to induce V to bluff, and bet worse hands than I have. It would be much worse to bet, and get raised.


Are we on the same page? Because I do this somewhat frequently, check and let people bet, so I can call. It works quite a bit.


So should I just bet, or take the C/C line?

Ill take a stab. I would b/f $75. If u check he will probably check back KQ and QJ. If he has a monster he's firing at least a hundo and that sucks for you because he could have the same hand or worse. If you bet $75 and he raises u gotta fold I can't see him bluffing worse

Nvm I see what your saying u want him to bet the $100. I would just rather bet then miss out on potential value from KQ

The entire spot is bad. It really illustrates the power of position. I'm quite certain V probably has a good idea where we are, and his range is still wide for me.

No thinking player is going to consider this a good bluff spot. You've bet two streets and now all the draws have bricked. A check here screams c/c and I would be very surprised if you get any worse hands to bet, except maybe a KQ going for thin value.

Bet/fold is the right line. Around $65 seems like the proper amount.

Yeah that's a very good point. I like it.

I think the best line OTT is check/call. There's nothing we can fold out here that we're not already beating, and I think he will bet most of his range OTT when checked to. He's betting all of his 9s, I would assume he's betting all of his draws hoping you're giving up and he can take down the pot, and I would even think he's betting Qx (even some that he would fold to a turn bet) thinking he has the best hand on a wet board. Therefore we most likely get value from a wider range than we would if we bet, and we get to close the action instead of possibly getting X/raised.

On a spade river, I'm betting almost pot, because he's not folding 9x and I think if we go for a X/raise he bets less than pot and then prob folds.

On a club river, I prob X/fold depending on his bet size, since his betting range there will be 9x, clubs, and some missed straight draws.

On a red river I bet/fold around half pot, targeting Qx.

OP, what do you think V's river calling range looks like as played?

J-10, clubs, maybe even KK, some gutters/FD combo hands, I think 9x would have raised, and just for good measure 99

I'd guess that KK is almost non-existant in V's range given preflop. Also, do you really believe this "tight", "thinking" V is going call/call/call against an EP open and three barrels with a rivered 2nd pair (JT)? That's optimistic. I think you're targeting KQ only.

He'd also be pretty crazy to try to bluff you in this spot. He probably raises the turn with 9x hands since the board is offering at least a few draws. That leaves him with only Q9dd, Q9hh, 99, QQ(super unlikely), 66, maybe TT(also a little unlikely) when he bets the river.

Think about it. He's not calling a river bet with worse, he's probably not bluffing busted draws, nor turning JT into a bluff(though one could argue that he should), he's raising the turn with his non full house 9x hands, so he's left with a super nutted river betting range.

Check/fold river, imo.

I hear you, but tight at a $1/$2 table is still not that tight really.


I am not changing what I said, but he is tight compared to others. He is still loose compared to me I suppose, because I am pretty nitty. The dudes solid, but I really think most live players are too dang loose.


And while he seems a solid player, I don't think it's out of the question he would try and bluff the river. Everyone else steps into the check-to-induce river play OOP. I think I use it quite a bit, and perhaps this is just not a good spot/opponent for that play.



However, that being said, I think maybe bet/fold river may be ok (as others suggested).


Check folding is also a viable option.

I agree this is your best action on the turn. You eliminate the threat of a raise if villain slowplayed 9x or semi-bluffs. You encourage worse pp like 88 to check and maybe call a river bet, where they would typically fold to a turn bet. Worse Qx hands will probably bet.

I think you should bet/fold $80-100. You get value from KQ/QJ. These hands will likely check back. Villain almost never bluff raises with missed clubs when you fire on three streets. A raise means 9x/QT