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08-18-2013 , 01:56 AM
Hero: Been playing a few hours, former 2/5 and 1/2 reg here. Regs and dealers he recognize him, although he's relatively new to the table (broken game). Probably seen as very tight, 3bet PF to 36, folded to Q10Q flop bet of 100 to UberAggroDonkFish (UADF). Other than that seen somewhere on the tight scope, lots of big hands lately so maybe masked a bit.

UADF: Young solid player, this may be a misnomer for him long-term, but in our time this is his title. Monster heads up pots vs idiots, clearly holdiing the nuts before the money goes in, has run his stack up. Now he's playing his deep stack: betting, raising, cbetting with air. Raising anything PF (always PF raiser, habitual Cbettor IP and OOP. His stack allows for this type of play, so not too out of whack, he's mostly respectful of the other deepstack.

Hero: At this point Hero believes QQ+ are always at least 85% vs his range. I'm shoving QQ up PF vs UADF is my internal decision. I'll know if I've got him beat PF before I shove. Moral of the story he's my piggy bank. For this to work, hero must limp, shove PF. No hand at this table is going uncontested to the flop so it's a near gauruntee.

Hand:

Hero (HJ, 150): Limps with QQ
UADF (OTB, 750): Makes it 15 after CO limps.

One call.
Hero ships it.
UADF consults a reg, decides to stack me, calls. At this point I know he's gonna suck out in an ugly way, but don't want to jinx it.

He asks is the pocket pair big, I reply about as big as they come.

Board - j108k8

UADF asks about a boat. Tables Q8s.

Hero laughs, shows QQ. Have a good night, that's poker.

Thoughts on the read/play vs a villain like this?



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08-18-2013 , 02:06 AM
1) villain sucks
2) dont limp/shove, just raise and play pokerz post-flop or limp-raise(not shove) and continue to play the pokerz post-flop with uberdonkfish
3) dont post results so quick
4) you got it in amazing agaisnt uadf, well done
5) this thread belongs in bbv
6)
^^^^fold those rivers
08-18-2013 , 02:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beaverslayer
1) villain sucks
2) dont limp/shove, just raise and play pokerz post-flop or limp-raise(not shove) and continue to play the pokerz post-flop with uberdonkfish
3) dont post results so quick
4) you got it in amazing agaisnt uadf, well done
5) this thread belongs in bbv
6)
^^^^fold those rivers
Fair to all points.

What's bbv?

Folding PF not an option vs him, at this table, with these stacks, with QQ+.

It would have been a Flop shove (which I pretty much only call with a set at this point) or fold for sure. He gets smaller stacks all in or out by the flop 9/10 times.
08-18-2013 , 02:13 AM
Out of curiosity, what do you do here with KK, AA, JJ, AKs (please go trhrough all). All the same factors and variables the same?

I'm shipping all of them.
08-18-2013 , 02:21 AM
1) AK, rip it(like you played the QQ above would be totally fine here)
2) da jakes(JJ)-AA, i'm opening and taking this douch-villain to the streets. Never folding on that board. Bottom pair ever pairs like that, i'm piling.
08-18-2013 , 02:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by trucdouf
Out of curiosity, what do you do here with KK, AA, JJ, AKs (please go trhrough all). All the same factors and variables the same?

I'm shipping all of them.
If he calls that wide alot, then ship it in. The reason i dont like the limp-shove is because only the worst of the worst, mouth-drooling/breathing, uber agg donk fish will call this light without alot of history/meta-game, and they will just raise/fold. Sucks you got coolered.

BBV is sub-forum under general poker. Good times over there-you should check it out sometime. GL.
08-18-2013 , 02:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beaverslayer
If he calls that wide alot, then ship it in. The reason i dont like the limp-shove is because only the worst of the worst, mouth-drooling/breathing, uber agg donk fish will call this light without alot of history/meta-game, and they will just raise/fold. Sucks you got coolered.

BBV is sub-forum under general poker. Good times over there-you should check it out sometime. GL.
I'll check put bbv. I know this subforum is tired of me.

Exactly what you described, is what I was faced with. I made sure he'd be back tomorrow and finished my conversations before leaving though.
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