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QQ vs good reg limp check raise squeeze QQ vs good reg limp check raise squeeze

03-19-2016 , 07:51 AM
Villain is a good solid player reg.
Only played him a few times.

Three days ago we were playing 1/2 and he limped in early position, someone raised to 10 and 3 players called. Back to him he 3bets to 82 and get called by a short stack. V had AK.

Yesterday hero just sat down at 1/2 again with 400, V covers.
V limps, H raises to 10 with A7s, 3 callers, V 3bets to 80 (shaky hands when he's shuffling chips), H folds and 1 player calls. V turns 99 and wins.

A few hours later this happens:
UTG (200) calls, V (700) calls, Hero (900) bets 15 with QQ, 4 callers and back to V who makes it 90. Hero?

Hero's image is a thinking player (yet distracted by iphone). He knows I didn't forget his previous 99 squeeze.
I suspect he now has a premium hand but... (also:no shaky hands, no shuffling, he's still).
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03-19-2016 , 08:16 AM
Villain has shown that he like to limp-reraise, and that he has a wider range than most 1/2 villains when doing so. If around 100 BB i would just ship against him with QQ and print money against his range.


However we are so deep here that i see calling and playing poker in position as the only good option.
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03-19-2016 , 08:43 AM
+1
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03-19-2016 , 12:13 PM
Seems like an easy jam 100bb deep, but probably calling and using the position to our advantage being 350bb deep.

BTW, I wouldn't call a player who habitually limp-raises a good, solid reg. He's more than likely your run of the mill reg who sucks postflop and only limp-raises because he has a strong hand that he doesn't want to get outdrawn on.
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03-19-2016 , 12:40 PM
fold the A7 UTG hand.

AP - unless you're going to set mine, i think calling invites too many other people into the hand giving V a good SPR and you a poor one, especially without position. If you 4! to 200, you can figure that he's going to 5! with hands that beat you, maybe call with those you have crushed (AK, JJ, TT, maybe AQ), and fold the rest. When he does call, your SPR and position are good.

Also, why is he LRR'ing so much. is there someone at the table constantly raising to provide him with these opportunities?
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03-19-2016 , 06:30 PM
This deep, I call and play poker.
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03-20-2016 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
BTW, I wouldn't call a player who habitually limp-raises a good, solid reg. He's more than likely your run of the mill reg who sucks postflop and only limp-raises because he has a strong hand that he doesn't want to get outdrawn on.
I think it's actually quite a creative way to play value hands on tables where a standard raise gets 4 callers. You will often pick up the pot right away, and if you don't, you will probably play HU with a lot of fold equity added to your hand.

Isn't it?
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03-20-2016 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
BTW, I wouldn't call a player who habitually limp-raises a good, solid reg. He's more than likely your run of the mill reg who sucks postflop and only limp-raises because he has a strong hand that he doesn't want to get outdrawn on.
It does seem like this is an over used play in this guy's playbook, but if the table keeps giving it to him, he's going to keep using it.

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Originally Posted by Piccadilly J.
I think it's actually quite a creative way to play value hands on tables where a standard raise gets 4 callers. You will often pick up the pot right away, and if you don't, you will probably play HU with a lot of fold equity added to your hand.

Isn't it?
There's merit in limping a big hand so you can raise but conditions have to be right. You have to be at a table where folks are raising pre a lot and there are a lot of callers.
Couple things: watch this guy pre flop. Watch him look at his cards and note when he limps, when he limp calls and when he opens. There's info if you watch him and since he makes this move a lot, he's a person you need to key on so you can know when it's safe to open A7s and when it's dangerous. And trust me, he's giving off tells on this based on how he looks at his cards, how long he looks at his cards, how he grabs chips and calls and then how he reacts when someone raises and he decides to re pop it. Get a baseline on this guy.

I like limp raising a big hand if the table is aggro, or at least if the right person is aggro, and if there's going to be some dead money in there. I also prefer it with a short stack. Deep stack, I tend to do my own raising and adjust my opening size to get the dynamics I want. If raising to 15 is getting 5 callers, try 20, etc.

In this hand, QQ is very likely to be ahead given Vs range so call and pay poker seems like sound advice. If an A or K flops and V continues, I guess fold. If we flop an over pair to the board, I guess we're willing to go broke with it.
I think re raising to $200-300 would also be interesting. Can you raise/fold $200? If you raise to $300, are you committed and have to call a shove?
I think you can raise to $200 and if V shoves, he probably has AA or KK. but I don't mind committing to the hand and sizing it like $225/250, giving V a little rope to shove thinking he has FE and snapping him off.
If we shove, only AA or KK can call. Raising smaller keeps Vs range more open and gives him room to overplay AK or JJ. My concern with just calling is that it allows V to potentially okay perfectly post flop, betting an A or K or if he hits a set and getting away cheaply when he misses. But just calling seems very valid.
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03-20-2016 , 12:37 PM
The problem with making it 200 is that its only 110 for V to call and there's a big pot (154) giving better odds than we might want to other.

OP - if you flat the 90, do you think the rest of the table joins the party?

if yes, then I think you need to raise unless you want to set mine with QQ
if no, then call because you have position and a decent SPR (~4)
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03-20-2016 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Curious
The problem with making it 200 is that its only 110 for V to call and there's a big pot (154) giving better odds than we might want to other.

OP - if you flat the 90, do you think the rest of the table joins the party?

if yes, then I think you need to raise unless you want to set mine with QQ
if no, then call because you have position and a decent SPR (~4)

You really want to 4 bet pre here, and that way create an ultrasmall SPR wich is basically comitting us to stacking off post with QQ 300 BB deep?
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03-20-2016 , 01:32 PM
This is the sucky part about being online. Live tells make such a difference. V's physical changes between the two hands screams over pair, yet we don't know if we're not there if that's what it really means.

Do I want us to stack off with 300 BB and only QQ? Not particularly. Am I ok with set mining with QQ? Yes. But the important question is if OP can set mine with QQ and is ok with folding to a c-bet on a 762 flop.
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03-21-2016 , 07:11 AM
Is set mining even an option?
We barely get the odds if he's holding KK+ and stack off with it 100% of the time.
His range is much wider here so definitely not getting odds to set mine.
Or am I missing something?
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03-21-2016 , 08:43 AM
I don't think it's really set-mining. I think it's playing poker. Raising now lets him play perfectly. He shoves if he has you beat and folds if he doesn't. Or, he gets tricky and calls and you have no idea where you are.

Calling the $90 against this guy in position gives you the advantage. See a flop, see what he does and how he reacts. Poker is not just our cards.
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