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08-13-2014 , 02:20 AM
Im on a relatively loose 1/2 table and get qq utg. I open to 15 and get 4 calls and the 5th goes allin for about 120 covering my 75 bucks. This kid goes allin every 5 minutes with any two cards. I look around and see two people looking eager to call the allin. What to do???
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08-13-2014 , 02:38 AM
Buy in full.

Ship here.

Expect to lose 35% of the time getting 4:1 on your money.
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08-13-2014 , 02:39 AM
Firstly, top-up pre. No reason you should be at a loose 1/2 table with any less than a full stack.

Secondly, this is a fist-pump GII. Given the rest of the table is loose, and they know the 'kid' is shoving ATC, they are probably ready to snap him off with most pairs, and AJ+. As such, QQ is way ahead of their ranges. Of course, if one of those two people is an OMC tell-box who folded JJ to kid's shove earlier, then we can re-consider, but otherwise get the money in.
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08-13-2014 , 02:39 AM
You are not presenting a scenario with enough details for a worthwhile discussion.
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08-13-2014 , 03:16 AM
Kick yourself REAL HARD for not having a full stack to allow for a shove to iso th err ai. Then put your chips in the middle.
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08-13-2014 , 03:18 AM
I just lost via my flopped fullhouse, I didnt bring more than 400 because ive been on a real downstreak.
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08-13-2014 , 10:23 AM
Easiest ship ever.

OP, I suggest downloading PokerStove or something similar, and playing around with how a hand like QQ does against this opponent's range here.
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08-13-2014 , 11:59 AM
Easy call. You can't put any of the villains in the hand on KK or AA frequently enough for this to be anything less than a fist-pump call.

The people who want you to isolate are saying that if you had a bigger stack, you could go over the top and get the other villains who look eager to call out of the hand (with their dead money in the pot). But given the stack-sizes, it can't be anything but a call.
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08-13-2014 , 02:36 PM
call
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08-13-2014 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Corto Montez
Firstly, top-up pre. No reason you should be at a loose 1/2 table with any less than a full stack.
Yes there is. If OP is playing under tight BRM restrictions he may buy in short to allow him less variance.
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08-13-2014 , 02:48 PM
Were all the preflop callers helping or hurting my odds of profit?
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08-13-2014 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by volcano41
Were all the preflop callers helping or hurting my odds of profit?
Could you clarify what you are asking here?
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08-13-2014 , 03:36 PM
The preflop callers give you better pot odds for calling the villains shove. With QQ here it really isn't a question though--the folks drooling to call this guys shove hurt you EV (assuming they call). Maybe you should take a break for a while if this hand and others are stinging that much? I donated $600 a few nights back before I realized it was well past time to quit. It sucked.
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08-13-2014 , 04:37 PM
Preflop I felt great, Ive never gotten that many callers with a 15 opening bet so I was kinda in shock. Then the kid went allin and thats exactly what I wanted.
I looked around and saw a certain guy drooling, he plays tag, and he mustve been thinking like me- crushing the kids range. Ive been running really bad, just lost with my flopped fh and got scared- I folded! I felt it was bad right away, I came home and looked it up and it was bad by the odds. They both had rags on top of it, no ace or king in their hands.
I started the thread to shove it into my brain.

Usually I dont like qq allin pre, am I wrong with that in general? Should I try and get it allin?
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08-13-2014 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBirdman
Yes there is. If OP is playing under tight BRM restrictions he may buy in short to allow him less variance.
Short-stack = more variance with less money
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