I don't know this particular player, but it wouldn't be that unusual for someone who is 200bb deep and who knows he'll have positionnal advantage for the rest of the hand.

So why are you not just giving up OTF? If you are calling his bet, there needs to be a reason for that too.

Thats entirely V dependant. In this case I feel you haven't provided enough info for any of us to construct a specific range for V, so it should be up to you to do it.

And if you think you're beat so often (although its IMO way too nitty/mubsy to think that), then you should've folded.

Just to be abundantly clear, no, people are not betting and calling 3bets preflop with strictly AA, KK, JJ, and TT.

i think bet/check/bet, bet/check/call/bet, or bet/check/call/check/evaluate are all fine lines

Weird thread.

Your 3bet really isn't that big at all, considering you're OOP, 200bb deep and last but not least the fact that he opened 3x. Who does that in a live game anyway?

I realize that I played the hand pretty strangely but I just felt based on the action that I was beat or he had something like 99 and was he was hoping I had something like 77 based on how scared my line looked. Once the river was an Ace and he bet $175 I couldnt think of any hand I beat except for a small pocket pair.

In my opinion his line was even weirder than mine and I had no idea what he had. Even KQ beat me now so I folded. He had quad J's.

I honestly have no idea if I played the hand perfectly and lost the least possible or if I played it like an idiot and this was the one time it worked out. I do know Ive had hands in the past where I just called a raise with QQ and the flop was JTx and if the pot got big I lost every time.

Yeah this would be my default unless I had reason to deviate.

I would start by checking the flop and calling any reasonable bet.

If it goes check/check I would go 3/4 pot and then over pot on some good run outs (running low pair would be the best possible run out).

If you think this is a good flop for you or you auto-bet because you have an overpair you are probably the type of player who will always be stuck at $2/5.

Finally someone who agrees with me.

I agree with Johnny. It's just unlucky that he happened to have the top of his range here. Sure, you probably lost the minimum in this particular hand, the problem is more the value you lose when he doesn't flop top set. I would put his b/c range from EP at at least 99-QQ and KQs+, it could be wider. Typical Vs at LLSNL just don't bet fold that much pre.

AP, rivee is a pretty obvious since you no longer beat anything. If you expect that your 3bet pre will fold out almost all of his opening hands that you're ahead of, why did you raise so much?

It's certainly not a bad flop. What if the flop is T9x instead? Basically the same but the hand plays out entirely differently.

What is your reason for checking here? That we block KQ so we are less worried about an OESD? Or that he won't call a bet with 99, 88, AK type hands?

I think a 2/3 PSB gets floated by damn near his entire range 200 BB's deep.

OK, so then on the turn the pot is about $320ish and then what? I think the best solution to this problem was to not reraise OOP when this deep.

That's one way to play it.

A better way is to 3 bet a fairly wide range of value hands (which certainly includes QQ).

Then we move onto the turn and continue playing poker. Being OOP is not a legitimate excuse for failing to extract value.

LLSNL hates playing OOP but it's a fact of life if you want to boost your win rate.

This, also hand strength is still a thing, having the 3rd nuts preflop counters a lot of the problems of playing OOP.